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Indeed, a stop sign would solve this, wouldn’t it? Simplist & cheapest solution first. The point about the geometry is that it doesn’t matter at which point the
by bdamm 9y ago
Indeed, a stop sign would solve this, wouldn’t it? Simplist & cheapest solution first. The point about the geometry is that it doesn’t matter at which point the driver can see over the hill and brush; they still won’t see the cyclist.
- maxerickson 9y agoThe UK hates stop signs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_sign#United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_sign#United_Kingdom
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- ajmurmann 9y agoI thought only the US loved stop signs.
- viraptor 9y agoPoland also loves stop signs. Actually, Poland just loves signs in general which is a problem: https://d-w24.ppstatic.pl/g2/6b/6f/65/116789_1258901612_33ec_p.jpeg https://d-w24.ppstatic.pl/g2/6b/6f/65/116789_1258901612_33ec...
- ajmurmann 9y agoWow, that is crazy! Now imagine those were US style signs that are covered in text instead abstract symbols...
- ygra 9y agoWell, one reason for that amount of signage is that there are multiple roads from the right and some of those signs only extend to the next junction. There's simply no way to have fewer of those signs. Same for the pedestrian crossings. Some of the signs are only relevant to pedestrians and cyclists, or motorists looking for a place to park, so it's not that bad.
- viraptor 9y agoIt can be way better. Some ideas: - pedestrian/cyclists signs can be made on the pavement instead - which lane goes where is repeated 3 times - if it's so that you know them when you join the road, 2 can be moved to the side roads instead - one of the right of way signs can go - no parking can be replaced with a chain / bolards - the end of pedestrian/cyclist path is useless since it's reopened after the crossing Poland puts the repeated signs after each and every tiny side road. Many countries don't do that. Instead they rely on more informative big signs over the intersections that can be visible from further away.
- ygra 9y agoI'm not sure the signs on the pavement have the same meaning as the actual signs. In many places (Germany for example) »signs« on the ground are merely a courtesy (e.g. the 30 in 30 zones), but not legally binding, and the actual signs define the rules.
- viraptor 9y agoThey're called horizonal and vertical signs in Poland and they are binding. The solid line between lanes counts as a horizontal sign as well.
- bambax 9y agoThanks for the link but it doesn't say why?
- mnw21cam 9y agoMost UK cities will have one single stop sign somewhere, just so that the driving lessons can go past one.
- protomyth 9y agoIn the US, they would put up a stop sign and park a cop near there for some instant, costly learning experiences. Although, if the speed is sufficient you would probably get an overpass, particularly if one road is a known truck route. It would be interesting to build a bicycle only overpass.
- u801e 9y agoThe US also tends to overuse stop signs when a yield (give way) sign would suffice. That is, if there is sufficient visibility of approaching traffic, coming to a complete stop is not necessary to safely yield to any conflicting traffic. Also, coming to a complete stop and then proceeding isn't sufficient to properly yield to approaching traffic. In the end, stop signs end up being treated like yield signs. The only time they're properly treated like stop signs is when it's not possible to see cross traffic before you approach the intersection.
- bo1024 9y agoEven then, they're still not treated like stop signs. Drivers blow past the sign up to the farthest possible point and only stop there, if at all. In particular they speed right over the pedestrian crossing without looking.
- cmurf 9y agoThat's because in America you grandma can legally teach you how to drive and so you learn all her bad habits. It's a feature, not a bug. And your driving test might cover this type of intersection or it might not. The testing is like 50 out of 5000 possible questions. Again, it's a feature (of idiocy) not a bug. I personally know maybe one other person, who knows that the location of the stop sign defines a line perpendicular to your lane and you're supposed to stop completely before this imaginary line. Almost no one knows this is the law. And sure as fuck no one actually does it. I'd love to have a light saber for the sole purpose of cutting off everyone's goddamn front end of their car right along this imaginary line. Oh, your front seat is in the imaginary line? So sad...
- kevin_thibedeau 9y agoThere are stop signs now (as of June 2017) and STOP markings in the road. Streetview shows old imagery from 2015 when viewed from the offending road but Beaulieu Rd. is newer.
- tim333 9y agoApparently not. I had a very similar junction outside my house where cars crashed constantly though usually non fatally as it was in a 30 zone. I wrote to the road engineer folk asking for a stop sign and apparently motorists don't take much more notice than of give ways. In the end the cross roads were replaced with two mini roundabouts which have fixed the problem. Physical obstacles are much better at making cars slow down than signs.
- usrusr 9y agoWhen the sight lines are blocked, the false sense of safety which is undermined by theconstant speed/constant bearing blind spot simply would not happen. If you don't think that you know that the other road is empty (because you can't see it), a yield sign is enough.