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You are talking to a libertarian and you assumed a right granted by state is a private property. Why ? The private property I referred is land right, which IS

You are talking to a libertarian and you assumed a right granted by state is a private property. Why ? The private property I referred is land right, which IS as old as civilisation and have been acceptable by most humans ever. Since most democracies are less than 200yrs old, the taxation cannot have been as old as civilisation. When 100 people form a camp, they implement property rights before taxation. Historically taxations have been imposed by distant rulers not socially decided at local level.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> Since most democracies are less than 200yrs old, the taxation cannot have been as old as civilisation. That would be true if the concept of taxation was dependent on the concept of democracy (and if it was correct that democracy was less than 200 years old, which is off by around an order of magnitude), which it is quite obviously not; taxation long precedes democracy. > Historically taxations have been imposed by distant rulers Historically, taxation (until fairly recently, in-kind; money taxes as the primary form is fairly new) has been imposed at every level from small bands to vast empires; it certainly is not correct that they've normally been imposed by distant rulers.
- wav-part 9y ago
  We are taking about subset of taxation not all taxation, namely "politically constructed taxation" as described by ajnin. Historically, taxation has been imposed at every level from small bands to vast empires Agreed. it certainly is not correct that they've normally been imposed by distant rulers Then by whom is it normally imposed ? Give an example of a historic taxation voted and imposed by a small-band/.../vast-empire on itself. Coming back to the topic, my claim is that private property social contract have been more stable than taxation (the social-contract version).

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You are talking to a libertarian and you assumed a right granted by state is a private property. Why ? The private property I referred is land right, which IS

by wav-part 9y ago

dragonwriter 9y ago
> Since most democracies are less than 200yrs old, the taxation cannot have been as old as civilisation. That would be true if the concept of taxation was dependent on the concept of democracy (and if it was correct that democracy was less than 200 years old, which is off by around an order of magnitude), which it is quite obviously not; taxation long precedes democracy. > Historically taxations have been imposed by distant rulers Historically, taxation (until fairly recently, in-kind; money taxes as the primary form is fairly new) has been imposed at every level from small bands to vast empires; it certainly is not correct that they've normally been imposed by distant rulers.
- wav-part 9y ago
  We are taking about subset of taxation not all taxation, namely "politically constructed taxation" as described by ajnin. Historically, taxation has been imposed at every level from small bands to vast empires Agreed. it certainly is not correct that they've normally been imposed by distant rulers Then by whom is it normally imposed ? Give an example of a historic taxation voted and imposed by a small-band/.../vast-empire on itself. Coming back to the topic, my claim is that private property social contract have been more stable than taxation (the social-contract version).