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Or you know, he could let the justice system run its course.

eitland 9y ago
Maybe because many of us has reason to belive this isn't about justice but about how to get hold of Assange? I'm no big fan of that man but there are so many questions around this investigation that I have serious problems believing most of the official story.
- QAPereo 9y ago
  It’s almost like there should be some place to work out questions of fact, publicly, with a focus on evidence... maybe a judge and some lawyers, I don’t know, some kind of koort... quort... court.
  - DashRattlesnake 9y ago
    > It’s almost like there should be some place to work out questions of fact, publicly, with a focus on evidence... maybe a judge and some lawyers, I don’t know, some kind of koort... quort... court. This kind of snark is obnoxious and never adds anything.
    - eitland 9y ago
      Even if I'm a big fan of HN style discussion and this snark was directed at me I'll say it adds to the discission because it allows me to add some depth to the argument. I'm generally a huge fan of European police and think they often don’t get enough credit for the work they do. That said, in this particular case there is a number of red flags for me, e.g.: - generally Scandinavian police won't go to these lengths for cases like this. Why this time? - why wouldn't they even meet him in the embassy until their deadlines started approaching? If I was trying to sort a case big enough to require extradition requests then flying to London to interview would be a no-brainer.
      - QAPereo 9y ago
        Most police and governments will go to serious lengths to apprehend someone who makes a public show of evading their control/justice systems. See: Martha Stewart. Trotsky. Etc...
        eitland 9y ago
        Thats actually a very reasonable explanation IMO.
    - QAPereo 9y ago
      If it were so obvious there would be no comment for me to reply to.
      - DashRattlesnake 9y ago
        > If it were so obvious I characterized your snark as obnoxious not obvious.
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namelost 9y ago
While I think Assange has a good case against an extradition to the US, the chances of him successfully fighting it are not 100% and if I were in his shoes I would not risk it.
- jcranmer 9y ago
  The extradition request that the US never filed? (That's the part I never understood... why would there be a need to spirit Assange from a Five Eyes country and very close ally of the US to one that is not before springing a surprise extradition?)
  - gpm 9y ago
    On what basis do you say that no extradition request has never been filed? My understanding is that Assange and allies allege that there is probably a sealed one, and that there is a (leaked in Stratfor emails) sealed US indictment against him. Entirely biased source: https://www.justice4assange.com/US-Extradition.html https://www.justice4assange.com/US-Extradition.html
    - Analemma_ 9y ago
      > On what basis do you say that no extradition request has never been filed? You're asking the parent to prove a negative, which is impossible. No public extradition request has ever been filed-- indeed, the United States has never so much as commented on it-- and so the burden of proof is on you to show that there is such a request. And no, links on "justice4assange.com" aren't convincing
      - namelost 9y ago
        The context is whether Assange's behaviour is rational. If it is impossible to determine whether an extradition request has been filed, then he has to assume that one has been filed. So in fact the burden of proof is the other way around.
        9y ago
dh-g 9y ago
Which one?

Maybe because many of us has reason to belive this isn't about justice but about how to get hold of Assange? I'm no big fan of that man but there are so many questions around this investigation that I have serious problems believing most of the official story.

QAPereo 9y ago
It’s almost like there should be some place to work out questions of fact, publicly, with a focus on evidence... maybe a judge and some lawyers, I don’t know, some kind of koort... quort... court.
- DashRattlesnake 9y ago
  > It’s almost like there should be some place to work out questions of fact, publicly, with a focus on evidence... maybe a judge and some lawyers, I don’t know, some kind of koort... quort... court. This kind of snark is obnoxious and never adds anything.
  - eitland 9y ago
    Even if I'm a big fan of HN style discussion and this snark was directed at me I'll say it adds to the discission because it allows me to add some depth to the argument. I'm generally a huge fan of European police and think they often don’t get enough credit for the work they do. That said, in this particular case there is a number of red flags for me, e.g.: - generally Scandinavian police won't go to these lengths for cases like this. Why this time? - why wouldn't they even meet him in the embassy until their deadlines started approaching? If I was trying to sort a case big enough to require extradition requests then flying to London to interview would be a no-brainer.
    - QAPereo 9y ago
      Most police and governments will go to serious lengths to apprehend someone who makes a public show of evading their control/justice systems. See: Martha Stewart. Trotsky. Etc...
      - eitland 9y ago
        Thats actually a very reasonable explanation IMO.
  - QAPereo 9y ago
    If it were so obvious there would be no comment for me to reply to.
    - DashRattlesnake 9y ago
      > If it were so obvious I characterized your snark as obnoxious not obvious.
      - deleted 9y ago
        [deleted]

namelost 9y ago

While I think Assange has a good case against an extradition to the US, the chances of him successfully fighting it are not 100% and if I were in his shoes I would not risk it.

jcranmer 9y ago
The extradition request that the US never filed? (That's the part I never understood... why would there be a need to spirit Assange from a Five Eyes country and very close ally of the US to one that is not before springing a surprise extradition?)
- gpm 9y ago
  On what basis do you say that no extradition request has never been filed? My understanding is that Assange and allies allege that there is probably a sealed one, and that there is a (leaked in Stratfor emails) sealed US indictment against him. Entirely biased source: https://www.justice4assange.com/US-Extradition.html https://www.justice4assange.com/US-Extradition.html
  - Analemma_ 9y ago
    > On what basis do you say that no extradition request has never been filed? You're asking the parent to prove a negative, which is impossible. No public extradition request has ever been filed-- indeed, the United States has never so much as commented on it-- and so the burden of proof is on you to show that there is such a request. And no, links on "justice4assange.com" aren't convincing
    - namelost 9y ago
      The context is whether Assange's behaviour is rational. If it is impossible to determine whether an extradition request has been filed, then he has to assume that one has been filed. So in fact the burden of proof is the other way around.
      - 9y ago

dh-g 9y ago

Which one?