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> The idea of an "Old Testament God" and "New Testament God" is rejected by all the Jews and Christians I know. How many Jews and Christians do you know? How m

by rnd33 9y ago

> The idea of an "Old Testament God" and "New Testament God" is rejected by all the Jews and Christians I know. How many Jews and Christians do you know? How many theologians do you know? I could just as easily state that it is abundantly clear that the Old Testament and the New Testament are written by completely different people at completely different points in time. Are you saying that all acts of cruelty by God in the OT are acts of judgement? And what kind of judgement is that? The story about Sodom and Gomorrah basically tells us that: A) Any kind of sin can be punishable by death. B) Collective punishment is OK, including innocent men, women and children.

Xeoncross 9y ago
> Any kind of sin can be punishable by death "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. - Romans 6:23 You don't see sin as a big deal, but God does. > including innocent men, women and children That's the problem. What innocent people? All of Sodom and Gomorrah were doing some really, really bad things like burning children alive and torturing people. > And the LORD said, “The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave. “I will go down now, and see if they have done entirely according to its outcry, which has come to Me; and if not, I will know.” Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, while Abraham was still standing before the LORD. Abraham came near and said, “Will You indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? “Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city; will You indeed sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous who are in it? “Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?” So the LORD said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare the whole place on their account.”... ...Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak only this once; suppose ten are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the ten.” - Genesis 18:20-32

by rnd33 9y ago

Xeoncross 9y ago

> Any kind of sin can be punishable by death "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. - Romans 6:23 You don't see sin as a big deal, but God does. > including innocent men, women and children That's the problem. What innocent people? All of Sodom and Gomorrah were doing some really, really bad things like burning children alive and torturing people. > And the LORD said, “The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave. “I will go down now, and see if they have done entirely according to its outcry, which has come to Me; and if not, I will know.” Then the men turned away from there and went toward Sodom, while Abraham was still standing before the LORD. Abraham came near and said, “Will You indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? “Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city; will You indeed sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous who are in it? “Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?” So the LORD said, “If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare the whole place on their account.”... ...Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak only this once; suppose ten are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the ten.” - Genesis 18:20-32