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>" extreme effort produce a user experience with IRC that's broadly comparable with what Slack offers out of the box." You mean like communicating with people?

>" extreme effort produce a user experience with IRC that's broadly comparable with what Slack offers out of the box." You mean like communicating with people? >"relatively rare expertise" Do you realize that IRC has been around for 30 years and that a lot of open source projects have their own IRC channel?

throwanem 9y ago
Yes, I do realize that. I also realize that, when you need to be able to easily include people who aren't engineers or ready to deal with what engineers deal with - that is, when you're a business - IRC requires much effort beyond the "apt-get install ircd" baseline to provide even a minimally satisfactory user experience.
- bogomipz 9y ago
  There are plenty of easy to use IRC clients like Adium, Colloquy, etc. It's no more difficult than learning HipChat or Slack features.
- u801e 9y ago
  > when you need to be able to easily include people who aren't engineers Plenty of people were able to use IRC in the past without IT help or training. They just installed a client like mIRC and figured it out from there.
  - throwanem 9y ago
    Yes, at a time when Windows 98 was considered a perfectly acceptable desktop operating system, and smartphones didn't yet exist. The UX bar is much higher now.
    - bogomipz 9y ago
      Typing in a text box and reading text on a screen is just as easy now as it was 15 years ago. Typing and reading text on an IRC client is also no more difficult than doing so on Slack.
      - throwanem 9y ago
        And yet so many people seem to prefer Slack! Why is that, do you think?
        bogomipz 9y ago
        What a ridiculous statement to make. Here I will invert that for you: "And yet so many people seem to prefer IRC! Why is that, do you think?" You do realize that IRC is practically synonymous with Hacking/UNIX/FOSS culture no? Since you don't seem to be big on providing any actual data for your claim, here are some substantial projects in the FOSS community that use IRC: Debian, Docker, Prometheus, Django, Angular, ReactJS, FreeBSD Node.js, Mozilla, Haskell, Golang, Openstack, Erlang, Ubuntu. Why do you think that is?
        throwanem 9y ago
        Weren't we talking about businesses? Not really seeing where the FOSS community model applies.
        bogomipz 9y ago
        No we were talking about the absurd statements you made concerning IRC, that it requires "relatively rare expertise" and "extreme effort." Neither of which is true. My last comment was pointing out the further absurd and unsubstantiated claim you made that "so many people seem to prefer Slack!" I think it's a pretty good illustration of "so many people" who don't prefer Slack.
        throwanem 9y ago
        If you're going to take part of my claim out of its context and argue against it as though it were the whole or indeed even made sense in isolation, then you're welcome, I suppose. If you decide you feel like arguing what I'm actually saying, you know where to find me.

throwanem 9y ago

Yes, I do realize that. I also realize that, when you need to be able to easily include people who aren't engineers or ready to deal with what engineers deal with - that is, when you're a business - IRC requires much effort beyond the "apt-get install ircd" baseline to provide even a minimally satisfactory user experience.

bogomipz 9y ago
There are plenty of easy to use IRC clients like Adium, Colloquy, etc. It's no more difficult than learning HipChat or Slack features.
u801e 9y ago
> when you need to be able to easily include people who aren't engineers Plenty of people were able to use IRC in the past without IT help or training. They just installed a client like mIRC and figured it out from there.
- throwanem 9y ago
  Yes, at a time when Windows 98 was considered a perfectly acceptable desktop operating system, and smartphones didn't yet exist. The UX bar is much higher now.
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    Typing in a text box and reading text on a screen is just as easy now as it was 15 years ago. Typing and reading text on an IRC client is also no more difficult than doing so on Slack.
    - throwanem 9y ago
      And yet so many people seem to prefer Slack! Why is that, do you think?
      - bogomipz 9y ago
        What a ridiculous statement to make. Here I will invert that for you: "And yet so many people seem to prefer IRC! Why is that, do you think?" You do realize that IRC is practically synonymous with Hacking/UNIX/FOSS culture no? Since you don't seem to be big on providing any actual data for your claim, here are some substantial projects in the FOSS community that use IRC: Debian, Docker, Prometheus, Django, Angular, ReactJS, FreeBSD Node.js, Mozilla, Haskell, Golang, Openstack, Erlang, Ubuntu. Why do you think that is?
        throwanem 9y ago
        Weren't we talking about businesses? Not really seeing where the FOSS community model applies.
        bogomipz 9y ago
        No we were talking about the absurd statements you made concerning IRC, that it requires "relatively rare expertise" and "extreme effort." Neither of which is true. My last comment was pointing out the further absurd and unsubstantiated claim you made that "so many people seem to prefer Slack!" I think it's a pretty good illustration of "so many people" who don't prefer Slack.
        throwanem 9y ago
        If you're going to take part of my claim out of its context and argue against it as though it were the whole or indeed even made sense in isolation, then you're welcome, I suppose. If you decide you feel like arguing what I'm actually saying, you know where to find me.