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What is a simple (or should I say easy?) workflow that allows three (or three hundred) people to work on the same codebase? I'd challenge that there isn't one,
by yebyen 9y ago
What is a simple (or should I say easy?) workflow that allows three (or three hundred) people to work on the same codebase? I'd challenge that there isn't one, and that sometimes a complex problems has a complex solution.
I think the fact is that many people have worked with git on their own, and then they may think that they know git.
Many of those people then go on to work on a small project with hardly any devs working concurrently on the same code, but just enough to run into problems they didn't have before.
This way you get the brightest of those people to start to understand that no, unless you've worked on a Git project with a team and handled the issues that comes along with that experience, you don't actually know Git yet.
Unfortunately with smaller teams, those people often learn Git so well (and, to be fair, "so well" is only marginally better than the person who works on Git by themselves, but getting to know it that well is still a substantial barrier, because git merge conflicts are pain, and pain is naturally avoided, but one can only learn to solve a problem by rote, ... by rote, or by repeating the solution.)
...that the rest of their team often doesn't have to learn the hard parts at all. That person then "handles the git issues." You don't really need to get Mad Git Skillz if you don't have a need to deal with those issues, and if your company's core competency is solving git merge conflicts, then you know you have a problem... anyway...
As team size approaches "the Linux kernel" or similarly byzantine and gargantuan project scope, the frequency of having "those issues" increases and the absolute number of "git people" needed to handle them obviously goes up. Maybe if you're lucky, the proportion of people who know Git well enough to solve the hard problems also goes up, so as a member of the team, your frequency of encountering a Git Person who might impart some Git Wisdom onto you will also go up.
Git isn't only good for teams that need to solve hard problems like OS kernels though. Some teams don't ever need to solve especially hard problems (not to belittle those teams, and notwithstanding that "complex" and "hard" can be separate, and the domain of hard problems is vast and many teams that do solve "hard" problems still don't need to solve hard git problems.)
But they still know they need Git to do their jobs. Those teams may learn enough Git, then dodge the bullet and never "get a Git person" and they are absolutely still really using Git productively.
They're using Git to solve a problem that it solves, they're just not using Git to solve hard problems. They may even get really good at avoiding encountering those hard problems before they ever need to spend the time to learn to solve them, from repeated exposure to let's call them "merge traumas."
And you will get successful teams on both ends of the spectrum.
Not to stray too far from the topic at hand, this site and the exercises look great. I like the mix of easy and hard problems. I like that the word "rebase" is nowhere to be found on the front page, but as a person who knows how to use rebase (and struggles to explain it to my team sometimes) it was very easy to find the exercise that will teach it, and see that it is not an especially difficult example at all.
The fact that Git is successful I think can be attributed strongly to the fact that Git can make solving some very hard problems possible and with great ease, when you have become "a git person."
- orev 9y agoLook at Mercurial for an example of an interface that is much better, and it accomplishes basically the same thing as git.
- yebyen 9y agoI went looking for Mercurial documentation about how to rebase and found this: > Rewriting of history has ramifications if you’ve previously pushed those commits elsewhere. In Mercurial, you simply cannot push commits that you later intend to rebase, because anyone pulling from the remote will get them. In Git, you may push commits you may want to rebase later (as a backup) but only if it’s to a remote branch that only you use. If anyone else checks out that branch and you later rebase it, it’s going to get very confusing. Git does not tell me what I cannot do. Can you explain how this documentation is wrong, or how I'm wrong for what I want to do here? I'm talking about "git pull --rebase" Because in Git, I know that canonical wisdom is you should not rebase a branch once it's published, but Git does not tell me what I cannot do, and it happens all the time ("Committer, master has moved some since your PR was submitted, please pull rebase.") Out of respect for contributors time (and some of whom won't know what to do, and may spend time struggling to figure it out...), I would probably not rewrite a commit that's been published in a master branch, but I will absolutely rewrite commits all the time on branches that are not yet merged. So, can you explain how this workflow goes in Mercurial? (Or why it's unnecessary?) Because from briefly perusing the first document I could find about my question, it looks like Mercurial cannot be used to solve this problem (the solution of which, I find to be a fundamental and very important part about how Git works.)
- dboreham 9y agogit pull --rebase doesn't rebase a pushed commit. It only rebases commits you have made locally, which therefore have not been seen by others.
- yebyen 9y agoThen committer can either 'git push --force' which apparently is not allowed by mercurial too? Or create a new branch. I try to clean up working branches when they are not needed anymore. I get the idea that Mercurial users think I shouldn't do that, or that I shouldn't share my working branches.