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Slightly OT if I may: Is there any reason to use anything else than Defender these days? Chrome+uBlock, good email security and update practices, Defender just

Slightly OT if I may: Is there any reason to use anything else than Defender these days? Chrome+uBlock, good email security and update practices, Defender just in case, do we need more?

0xfeba 9y ago
No, not that I am aware of. 3rd party AV are liabilities at this point. https://www.pcworld.com/article/3020327/antivirus-software-could-make-your-company-more-vulnerable.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/3020327/antivirus-software-c...
- the8472 9y ago
  Defender can be seen as merely being the lesser evil. Consider CVE-2017-0290[0], which was caused by the MsMpEng process running a custom unsandboxed javascript interpreter with system privileges to evaluate untrusted code for maliciousness. Remotely exploitable over many unsolicited channels. Pretty much the worst kind of exploitability. Of course other AVs have done quite similar mistakes. [0] https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1252&desc=5 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=12...
lima 9y ago
No, there isn't. Antivirus only protects against known threats anyway, and Windows Defender works fine for that.
jdc0589 9y ago
not the free consumer kind. Some business/enterprise stuff is useful (e.g. eset), but thats not helpful to the average consumer.
godzillabrennus 9y ago
Yes, http://www.bromium.com http://www.bromium.com adds next level security to Windows environments.
- ptaipale 9y ago
  I don't think your comment should be downvoted, but Bromium also adds a revolting lag, clumsiness and instability.
  - godzillabrennus 9y ago
    Indeed but if you need security it’s a good solution. I must have upset the hive mind by sharing a link. Oh well, hopefully someone finds value here.
tomc1985 9y ago
Defender's presence on my XPS 2015 is the difference between a useable laptop and an eternity of hourglass cursors. 3rd party AV generally has better hit rates and the good ones are dramatically less demanding of system resources (happy with NOD32 here)
MrMember 9y ago
I haven't used anything other than Defender (and the Microsoft tool that predated it, can't remember the name) in ages. I've never had any issues.
- joshstrange 9y ago
  Microsoft Security Essentials?
  - MrMember 9y ago
    Yep, that's the one.

Slightly OT if I may: Is there any reason to use anything else than Defender these days? Chrome+uBlock, good email security and update practices, Defender just in case, do we need more?

0xfeba 9y ago

No, not that I am aware of. 3rd party AV are liabilities at this point. https://www.pcworld.com/article/3020327/antivirus-software-could-make-your-company-more-vulnerable.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/3020327/antivirus-software-c...

the8472 9y ago
Defender can be seen as merely being the lesser evil. Consider CVE-2017-0290[0], which was caused by the MsMpEng process running a custom unsandboxed javascript interpreter with system privileges to evaluate untrusted code for maliciousness. Remotely exploitable over many unsolicited channels. Pretty much the worst kind of exploitability. Of course other AVs have done quite similar mistakes. [0] https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=1252&desc=5 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=12...

lima 9y ago

No, there isn't. Antivirus only protects against known threats anyway, and Windows Defender works fine for that.

jdc0589 9y ago

not the free consumer kind. Some business/enterprise stuff is useful (e.g. eset), but thats not helpful to the average consumer.

godzillabrennus 9y ago

Yes, http://www.bromium.com http://www.bromium.com adds next level security to Windows environments.

ptaipale 9y ago
I don't think your comment should be downvoted, but Bromium also adds a revolting lag, clumsiness and instability.
- godzillabrennus 9y ago
  Indeed but if you need security it’s a good solution. I must have upset the hive mind by sharing a link. Oh well, hopefully someone finds value here.

tomc1985 9y ago

Defender's presence on my XPS 2015 is the difference between a useable laptop and an eternity of hourglass cursors. 3rd party AV generally has better hit rates and the good ones are dramatically less demanding of system resources (happy with NOD32 here)

MrMember 9y ago

I haven't used anything other than Defender (and the Microsoft tool that predated it, can't remember the name) in ages. I've never had any issues.

joshstrange 9y ago
Microsoft Security Essentials?
- MrMember 9y ago
  Yep, that's the one.