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Jamie Dimon: I ‘Regret’ Calling Bitcoin a Fraud

56 points by smaili 9y ago

RexetBlell 9y ago
Respect to him for owning up.
fourstar 9y ago
This was so orchestrated. 1. Notice the value in it. 2. Come out publicly dismissing it as a "bubble". 3. Acquire a position. 4. Come out publicly refuting your initial claim as a "bubble". It's called stacking.
- simczak 9y ago
  I think Angela Walch on this tweet was able to capture what James Dimon regret means: https://twitter.com/angela_walch/status/950792583705497600 https://twitter.com/angela_walch/status/950792583705497600
- hendzen 9y ago
  This is so that their clients won't be able to sue them if/when the bubble pops after they help execute BTC trades for them.
liquidise 9y ago
Readable version: https://outline.com/ChvJAT https://outline.com/ChvJAT
- jeffrufino 9y ago
  This is a cool app, thanks for this.
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Ftuuky 9y ago
He bought the dip after spreading FUD.
- botverse 9y ago
  He happened to be the fraud himself
fuddcoinn 9y ago
If JD wanted to take a stake in Bitcoin, trash talking beforehand could help, and i think this could have been the case. most reasonable people would prefer to stay silent but JP Morgan plays the "bad boy bank" role with gusto, second only to Goodman Sachs. both organizations openly break the law while eating the fines as an operating expense, bet against their own clients and ensnare nation states in unpayable debt with what most laypeople would think is unbelievable power and control. compare that to a few choice words in an unregulated wild west market and perhaps id be stupid not to think it was intentional. his reversal seals it for me. (unless this is yet more strategy on his part)
- totalZero 9y ago
  JPM and GS do business at enough of a difference in scale that I don't really see them as similar. What are some examples of this "bad boy bank" behavior? It should be something beyond the existence of rogue traders, since by definition these traders operate outside the awareness and consent of their management and thus their actions can't be attributed to the intentions of the organization as a whole.
- the_d00d 9y ago
  He made his 'Bitcoin is a fraud' comment in September when Bitcoin was somewhere between $3000-$4000. In October, he called Bitcoin investors stupid. Bitcoin has done nothing, but increase in value since then. If JD was trying to spread FUD in order to buy cheap....that clearly didn't work. No one in the Bitcoin space gives a shit what that guy says.
  - russdpale 9y ago
    Actually, it worked brilliantly. He timed it right with the September China fud and probably picked up some coin right at the 3k low on the dip on that news.
    - FabHK 9y ago
      Actually, not everyone trash talking Bitcoin is talking their own book.
sova 9y ago
HA! That's what you get for not understanding the underlying innovation before making bombastic claims at the WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM. Cantankerous Beast
lulephuckhang 9y ago
No where in the article did he say 'regret'.
- andirk 9y ago
  Before the paywall garbage, it say: Mr. Dimon said “I regret making” an earlier comment in which he said the digital currency was a fraud. Edit: The paywall version has a different beginning than the full version wtf.
  - yakitori 9y ago
    Why are you being downvoted? What you said is true.
JumpCrisscross 9y ago
Nobody I know on Wall Street has changed their tune with cryptos. What has changed is recognition that the wealth transfer of a generation is happening through them. Nobody wants to hold it, but everyone wants to broker it. And you can’t try and sell Bitcoins, or even facilitate order flow, if your CEO is on record calling it a fraud.
- FabHK 9y ago
  I recently watched the 1983 comedy Trading Places again. Quote: Randolph Duke: "Now, some of our clients are speculating that the price of gold will rise in the future. And we have other clients who are speculating that the price of gold will fall. They place their orders with us, and we buy or sell their gold for them." Mortimer Duke: "Tell him the good part." Randolph Duke: "The good part, William, is that, no matter whether our clients make money or lose money, Duke & Duke get the commissions." Plus ça change.
vfulco 9y ago
Yea this is the usual sad song after the big money has been made and the sheeple fleeced. Rinse and repeat. Look at boom/busts of the past. The powers that be know exactly what they are doing. "A fraud" until you find out the internal hedge fund has been trading it for months and NOW they are setting up a customer trading desk. Get the joke?
Jesus_Jones 9y ago
He should say "It's not a fraud, it's just in a crazy worldwide bubble".
yyyyip 9y ago
Dunking on all these fucking bankers is going to be the sweetest thing ever. I hope every last one of these pieces of shit is holding a big hoard of crypto when it finally crashes. I've already sold them a LOT but I've got a fair bit to go.

56 points by smaili 9y ago

Respect to him for owning up.

This was so orchestrated. 1. Notice the value in it. 2. Come out publicly dismissing it as a "bubble". 3. Acquire a position. 4. Come out publicly refuting your initial claim as a "bubble". It's called stacking.

simczak 9y ago
I think Angela Walch on this tweet was able to capture what James Dimon regret means: https://twitter.com/angela_walch/status/950792583705497600 https://twitter.com/angela_walch/status/950792583705497600
hendzen 9y ago
This is so that their clients won't be able to sue them if/when the bubble pops after they help execute BTC trades for them.

liquidise 9y ago

Readable version: https://outline.com/ChvJAT https://outline.com/ChvJAT

jeffrufino 9y ago
This is a cool app, thanks for this.

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Ftuuky 9y ago

He bought the dip after spreading FUD.

botverse 9y ago
He happened to be the fraud himself

fuddcoinn 9y ago

If JD wanted to take a stake in Bitcoin, trash talking beforehand could help, and i think this could have been the case. most reasonable people would prefer to stay silent but JP Morgan plays the "bad boy bank" role with gusto, second only to Goodman Sachs. both organizations openly break the law while eating the fines as an operating expense, bet against their own clients and ensnare nation states in unpayable debt with what most laypeople would think is unbelievable power and control. compare that to a few choice words in an unregulated wild west market and perhaps id be stupid not to think it was intentional. his reversal seals it for me. (unless this is yet more strategy on his part)

totalZero 9y ago
JPM and GS do business at enough of a difference in scale that I don't really see them as similar. What are some examples of this "bad boy bank" behavior? It should be something beyond the existence of rogue traders, since by definition these traders operate outside the awareness and consent of their management and thus their actions can't be attributed to the intentions of the organization as a whole.
the_d00d 9y ago
He made his 'Bitcoin is a fraud' comment in September when Bitcoin was somewhere between $3000-$4000. In October, he called Bitcoin investors stupid. Bitcoin has done nothing, but increase in value since then. If JD was trying to spread FUD in order to buy cheap....that clearly didn't work. No one in the Bitcoin space gives a shit what that guy says.
- russdpale 9y ago
  Actually, it worked brilliantly. He timed it right with the September China fud and probably picked up some coin right at the 3k low on the dip on that news.
  - FabHK 9y ago
    Actually, not everyone trash talking Bitcoin is talking their own book.

sova 9y ago

HA! That's what you get for not understanding the underlying innovation before making bombastic claims at the WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM. Cantankerous Beast

lulephuckhang 9y ago

No where in the article did he say 'regret'.

andirk 9y ago
Before the paywall garbage, it say: Mr. Dimon said “I regret making” an earlier comment in which he said the digital currency was a fraud. Edit: The paywall version has a different beginning than the full version wtf.
- yakitori 9y ago
  Why are you being downvoted? What you said is true.

JumpCrisscross 9y ago

Nobody I know on Wall Street has changed their tune with cryptos. What has changed is recognition that the wealth transfer of a generation is happening through them. Nobody wants to hold it, but everyone wants to broker it. And you can’t try and sell Bitcoins, or even facilitate order flow, if your CEO is on record calling it a fraud.

FabHK 9y ago
I recently watched the 1983 comedy Trading Places again. Quote: Randolph Duke: "Now, some of our clients are speculating that the price of gold will rise in the future. And we have other clients who are speculating that the price of gold will fall. They place their orders with us, and we buy or sell their gold for them." Mortimer Duke: "Tell him the good part." Randolph Duke: "The good part, William, is that, no matter whether our clients make money or lose money, Duke & Duke get the commissions." Plus ça change.

vfulco 9y ago

Yea this is the usual sad song after the big money has been made and the sheeple fleeced. Rinse and repeat. Look at boom/busts of the past. The powers that be know exactly what they are doing. "A fraud" until you find out the internal hedge fund has been trading it for months and NOW they are setting up a customer trading desk. Get the joke?

Jesus_Jones 9y ago

He should say "It's not a fraud, it's just in a crazy worldwide bubble".

yyyyip 9y ago

Dunking on all these fucking bankers is going to be the sweetest thing ever. I hope every last one of these pieces of shit is holding a big hoard of crypto when it finally crashes. I've already sold them a LOT but I've got a fair bit to go.