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Your incredulity perplexes me. I offered a simple premise (that Rogan is vocally more anti-SJW than in favor of an alternative path to social justice) and a sim

by hsod 9y ago

Your incredulity perplexes me. I offered a simple premise (that Rogan is vocally more anti-SJW than in favor of an alternative path to social justice) and a simple conclusion from that premise (that Rogan can fairly be considered right-wing). You seem to disagree with either the premise or the conclusion, but rather than making an argument to that effect you have made 3 (three!) meta-posts about it, all while waxing on about the virtues effective debate. Maybe you disagree with my premise, or maybe you disagree with my conclusion, but your posts so far amount to a whole lot of grandstanding and a vanishingly small amount of argumentation. Your insistence on talking about me and your meta-view of my argument rather than the argument itself reveals a lot more about you than it does about me. I still stand by the argument (both premise and conclusions) I made in my original post. I wish our conversation could have been about that, as I think it would have been much more interesting.

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ryguytilidie 9y ago
"I offered a simple premise (that Rogan is vocally more anti-SJW than in favor of an alternative path to social justice)" Why are you re-explaining your premise to me after I already made a point by point post about why it's nonsense? "You seem to disagree with either the premise or the conclusion, but rather than making an argument to that effect you have made 3 (three!) meta-posts about it, all while waxing on about the virtues effective debate." I'm shocked that youre sitting there with a "you seem to disagree with..." type attitude. I told you exactly what i disagree with and why. Point by point. I did this while explaining that lying to further your point wasnt a great debate tactic and you seem to have latched onto this and continue acting like I've given you some long lecture on the "virtues of effective debate" when literally all i did was tell you why your point was wrong...which somehow leads you to conclude that I'm making a "small amount of argumentation" versus you, who simply said some thing that was wrong. "Maybe you disagree with my premise, or maybe you disagree with my conclusion" This is exactly how you started the paragraph before. Do you know any debate tactics beside saying "you seem to disagree with..." about the things I very clearly have explained why they are incorrect. Either way, are you under the impression that making the same awkward "I'm not seeing what you disagree with here..." When i told you point by point exactly what I disagreed with will somehow make others stop downvoting your posts? "your posts so far amount to a whole lot of grandstanding and a vanishingly small amount of argumentation." You said this exact same thing in your last post as well. Right before I reminded you that it was pretty strange to say that I'm adding a "small amount of argumentation" when I responded point by point to your original post, which you're lamenting not being able to discuss further. (which is weird, because the only reason the subject changed was because you decided that making insane, made up points wasnt enough, but that you needed to pair them with the worst analogy I could possibly imagine. Are you going to add some original content soon or just repeat the stuff I've already made it clear you're wrong about? "I still stand by the argument (both premise and conclusions) I made in my original post" Breaking news, person who made a bad point is STICKING TO IT, EVIDENCE BE DAMNED. "I wish our conversation could have been about that, as I think it would have been much more interesting." You had every opportunity to do this, but you chose to feign outrage at the fact that after explaining why your first post was bad, I didn't bother to explain why the second was bad.
- dang 9y ago
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dang 9y ago
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by hsod 9y ago

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ryguytilidie 9y ago

"I offered a simple premise (that Rogan is vocally more anti-SJW than in favor of an alternative path to social justice)" Why are you re-explaining your premise to me after I already made a point by point post about why it's nonsense? "You seem to disagree with either the premise or the conclusion, but rather than making an argument to that effect you have made 3 (three!) meta-posts about it, all while waxing on about the virtues effective debate." I'm shocked that youre sitting there with a "you seem to disagree with..." type attitude. I told you exactly what i disagree with and why. Point by point. I did this while explaining that lying to further your point wasnt a great debate tactic and you seem to have latched onto this and continue acting like I've given you some long lecture on the "virtues of effective debate" when literally all i did was tell you why your point was wrong...which somehow leads you to conclude that I'm making a "small amount of argumentation" versus you, who simply said some thing that was wrong. "Maybe you disagree with my premise, or maybe you disagree with my conclusion" This is exactly how you started the paragraph before. Do you know any debate tactics beside saying "you seem to disagree with..." about the things I very clearly have explained why they are incorrect. Either way, are you under the impression that making the same awkward "I'm not seeing what you disagree with here..." When i told you point by point exactly what I disagreed with will somehow make others stop downvoting your posts? "your posts so far amount to a whole lot of grandstanding and a vanishingly small amount of argumentation." You said this exact same thing in your last post as well. Right before I reminded you that it was pretty strange to say that I'm adding a "small amount of argumentation" when I responded point by point to your original post, which you're lamenting not being able to discuss further. (which is weird, because the only reason the subject changed was because you decided that making insane, made up points wasnt enough, but that you needed to pair them with the worst analogy I could possibly imagine. Are you going to add some original content soon or just repeat the stuff I've already made it clear you're wrong about? "I still stand by the argument (both premise and conclusions) I made in my original post" Breaking news, person who made a bad point is STICKING TO IT, EVIDENCE BE DAMNED. "I wish our conversation could have been about that, as I think it would have been much more interesting." You had every opportunity to do this, but you chose to feign outrage at the fact that after explaining why your first post was bad, I didn't bother to explain why the second was bad.

dang 9y ago
You've been breaking the HN guidelines egregiously too. If you keep doing this we will ban you. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and post civil, substantive comments or no comments. That means no flamewars, no snarky dismissals, and no tedious tit-for-tats. And no personal attacks, which you stooped to shamefully in this thread. I'm not banning you just this minute because your comment history doesn't show that you've been using HN primarily for this sort of battle, and that's the test we apply. But if you keep breaking the rules, we definitely will.

dang 9y ago

We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the HN guidelines with uncivil personal attacks and by using the site primarily for ideological battle. Those things are not allowed here, regardless of your politics, how right you are, or how right you feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html