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This did not actually happen: http://reason.com/archives/2017/10/23/ye-olde-ikea-sex-traffickers http://reason.com/archives/2017/10/23/ye-olde-ikea-sex-traff..

This did not actually happen: http://reason.com/archives/2017/10/23/ye-olde-ikea-sex-traffickers http://reason.com/archives/2017/10/23/ye-olde-ikea-sex-traff...

jacquesm 9y ago
Apologizing for the source, but sometimes it does happen: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2123200/man-arrested-after-three-year-old-girl-snatched-in-front-of-her-mums-eyes-in-morrisons-store/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2123200/man-arrested-after-thr...
- AznHisoka 9y ago
  Yep, this happens all the time in some parts of China as well.
- christophilus 9y ago
  Yeah. Here's a similar one: http://abc7chicago.com/news/possible-child-abduction-at-grocery-store-caught-on-camera/1559679/ http://abc7chicago.com/news/possible-child-abduction-at-groc... The story in my original comment was reported in a local news paper's website, which my wife assumed was reliable... So who knows.
- sambe 9y ago
  Or does it? http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/15255796._I_was_told_that_if_I_was_found_guilty_I_could_be_facing_15_years_in_prison____said_dad_of_four_accused_of_Blackburn_Morrisons__attempted_child_abduction/ http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/15255796._I_was_to...
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    Good find. Have another one. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098608/Kidnap-attempt-Walmart-Girl-7-tells-moment-man-tried-abduct-her.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098608/Kidnap-attem... There are plenty of these examples over the years. It is not that it does not happen, it does happen, but it is pretty rare. My point was that you can not simply dismiss all these cases out of hand as fantasy.
    - kohanz 9y ago
      Agreed, it's rare, but does happen: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/child-s-disappearance-still-a-mystery-22-years-on-1.1327157 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/child-s-disap...
    - sambe 9y ago
      This person is also accused, not found guilty (from the link, and no quick Google turning up a conviction). It does very rarely happen. But even of the subset of events that aren't totally fabricated, many turn out to be more innocent than they are made out to be. People getting their worldview from these sources are going to be unnecessarily worrisome about such things, which is really the point of the grandparent.
    - dsnuh 9y ago
      I dismiss all of these cases out of hand as fantasy, because the chances of this actually happening to me are as close to fantasy as being eaten by a shark while I am struck by lightning.
christophilus 9y ago
I'm glad to hear that this story was fake! I never looked it up, just heard her retelling of it. Regardless, the story wasn't the point of my comment. The reaction I have as a dad vs pre-parenthood is the point. Where I live is the sex-trafficking capital of my state, which probably heightens my reactions, too. The problem is real and pervasive, fake news not withstanding.
- Reedx 9y ago
  Well, it's real like getting struck by lightning is real. The odds are extremely low. Everyone could let their kids walk to school and chances are nothing bad will happen. Though it may lead to those kids being a bit healthier, more independent and more confident. And less likely to die in a car crash - which is far, far more probable than kidnapping.
  - christophilus 9y ago
    I agree with your sentiment. It's more common than lightning strikes, though still super remote. But I'm not planning on sending my kids out to play in thunderstorms, and I'm not planning on leaving them unattended in public places until they're of a certain age. Walking to school is an interesting scenario. I hate the car, so I'd probably walk with them or ride bikes together. Side story: My dad had a friend who was almost kidnapped while on the way to school. The only reason it didn't succeed is that my dad and another friend grabbed their friend by the ankles while the guy in the car was tugging on their friend's arms. The kids all screamed bloody murder, and the men in the car gave up and drove off. In most areas of life I like to think that I let statistics drive my thinking (e.g. I don't try to beat the stock market no matter how bad things look, unless I'm gambling for the fun of it). But in the case of kids, man... it's just much harder to overcome emotional biases.
    - opo 9y ago
      >...It's more common than lightning strikes, though still super remote. It doesn't look that way: >...During the study year, there were an estimated 115 stereotypical kidnappings, defined as abductions perpetrated by a stranger or slight acquaintance and involving a child who was transported 50 or more miles, detained overnight, held for ransom or with the intent to keep the child permanently, or killed. http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/MC19.pdf http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/MC19.pdf So, 115 children were abducted by strangers that year. The national weather service estimates that 300 people are hit by lightning a year. http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/odds.shtml http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/odds.shtml Like you said, it's hard for people to overcome emotional biases. As a comparison, sharing a bed with a baby (which many people think is safe) is implicated in thousands of deaths a year: >...After analyzing data on 8,207 infant deaths from 24 states that occurred between 2004 and 2012, researchers determined that nearly 74 percent of deaths in babies younger than 4 months occurred in a bed-sharing situation, according to the study published Monday in Pediatrics. >Among older infants – those aged 4 months to 364 days – the rate was slightly lower at nearly 59 percent. https://www.today.com/health/co-sleeping-linked-infant-deaths-bed-sharing-remains-popular-1D79912957 https://www.today.com/health/co-sleeping-linked-infant-death... As another comparison, over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year in car accidents. http://asirt.org/initiatives/informing-road-users/road-safety-facts/road-crash-statistics http://asirt.org/initiatives/informing-road-users/road-safet...

This did not actually happen: http://reason.com/archives/2017/10/23/ye-olde-ikea-sex-traffickers http://reason.com/archives/2017/10/23/ye-olde-ikea-sex-traff...

jacquesm 9y ago

Apologizing for the source, but sometimes it does happen: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2123200/man-arrested-after-three-year-old-girl-snatched-in-front-of-her-mums-eyes-in-morrisons-store/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2123200/man-arrested-after-thr...

AznHisoka 9y ago
Yep, this happens all the time in some parts of China as well.
christophilus 9y ago
Yeah. Here's a similar one: http://abc7chicago.com/news/possible-child-abduction-at-grocery-store-caught-on-camera/1559679/ http://abc7chicago.com/news/possible-child-abduction-at-groc... The story in my original comment was reported in a local news paper's website, which my wife assumed was reliable... So who knows.
sambe 9y ago
Or does it? http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/15255796._I_was_told_that_if_I_was_found_guilty_I_could_be_facing_15_years_in_prison____said_dad_of_four_accused_of_Blackburn_Morrisons__attempted_child_abduction/ http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/15255796._I_was_to...
- jacquesm 9y ago
  Good find. Have another one. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098608/Kidnap-attempt-Walmart-Girl-7-tells-moment-man-tried-abduct-her.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098608/Kidnap-attem... There are plenty of these examples over the years. It is not that it does not happen, it does happen, but it is pretty rare. My point was that you can not simply dismiss all these cases out of hand as fantasy.
  - kohanz 9y ago
    Agreed, it's rare, but does happen: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/child-s-disappearance-still-a-mystery-22-years-on-1.1327157 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/child-s-disap...
  - sambe 9y ago
    This person is also accused, not found guilty (from the link, and no quick Google turning up a conviction). It does very rarely happen. But even of the subset of events that aren't totally fabricated, many turn out to be more innocent than they are made out to be. People getting their worldview from these sources are going to be unnecessarily worrisome about such things, which is really the point of the grandparent.
  - dsnuh 9y ago
    I dismiss all of these cases out of hand as fantasy, because the chances of this actually happening to me are as close to fantasy as being eaten by a shark while I am struck by lightning.

christophilus 9y ago

I'm glad to hear that this story was fake! I never looked it up, just heard her retelling of it. Regardless, the story wasn't the point of my comment. The reaction I have as a dad vs pre-parenthood is the point. Where I live is the sex-trafficking capital of my state, which probably heightens my reactions, too. The problem is real and pervasive, fake news not withstanding.

Reedx 9y ago
Well, it's real like getting struck by lightning is real. The odds are extremely low. Everyone could let their kids walk to school and chances are nothing bad will happen. Though it may lead to those kids being a bit healthier, more independent and more confident. And less likely to die in a car crash - which is far, far more probable than kidnapping.
- christophilus 9y ago
  I agree with your sentiment. It's more common than lightning strikes, though still super remote. But I'm not planning on sending my kids out to play in thunderstorms, and I'm not planning on leaving them unattended in public places until they're of a certain age. Walking to school is an interesting scenario. I hate the car, so I'd probably walk with them or ride bikes together. Side story: My dad had a friend who was almost kidnapped while on the way to school. The only reason it didn't succeed is that my dad and another friend grabbed their friend by the ankles while the guy in the car was tugging on their friend's arms. The kids all screamed bloody murder, and the men in the car gave up and drove off. In most areas of life I like to think that I let statistics drive my thinking (e.g. I don't try to beat the stock market no matter how bad things look, unless I'm gambling for the fun of it). But in the case of kids, man... it's just much harder to overcome emotional biases.
  - opo 9y ago
    >...It's more common than lightning strikes, though still super remote. It doesn't look that way: >...During the study year, there were an estimated 115 stereotypical kidnappings, defined as abductions perpetrated by a stranger or slight acquaintance and involving a child who was transported 50 or more miles, detained overnight, held for ransom or with the intent to keep the child permanently, or killed. http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/MC19.pdf http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/MC19.pdf So, 115 children were abducted by strangers that year. The national weather service estimates that 300 people are hit by lightning a year. http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/odds.shtml http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/odds.shtml Like you said, it's hard for people to overcome emotional biases. As a comparison, sharing a bed with a baby (which many people think is safe) is implicated in thousands of deaths a year: >...After analyzing data on 8,207 infant deaths from 24 states that occurred between 2004 and 2012, researchers determined that nearly 74 percent of deaths in babies younger than 4 months occurred in a bed-sharing situation, according to the study published Monday in Pediatrics. >Among older infants – those aged 4 months to 364 days – the rate was slightly lower at nearly 59 percent. https://www.today.com/health/co-sleeping-linked-infant-deaths-bed-sharing-remains-popular-1D79912957 https://www.today.com/health/co-sleeping-linked-infant-death... As another comparison, over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year in car accidents. http://asirt.org/initiatives/informing-road-users/road-safety-facts/road-crash-statistics http://asirt.org/initiatives/informing-road-users/road-safet...