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James Damore sues Google for discrimination

20 points by djsumdog 9y ago

IanDrake 9y ago
“suggested women may be biologically inferior engineers“ It didn’t say that, but let’s not let truth get in the way.
- timmytwotime 9y ago
  From the start this article was fraught with inaccuracy and obvious virtue signaling. Not to mention The Verge has attempted to connect Damore to the alt-right on 4chan. This publication cannot be trusted.
  - nailer 9y ago
    Better link, with Google-created evidence from Damore's lawyer: https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/950446329603461121 https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/950446329603461121
    - IanDrake 9y ago
      Wow. Thanks for the link.
onion2k 9y ago
Google can easily prove that they don't discriminate against white men by demonstrating that their workforce is mainly white men. There obviously isn't any discrimination on that part. There is a question of whether or not Google could discriminate against conservatives, but in the case of Damore they obviously didn't because they employed him. He could claim he was fired for political action in the workplace, but that isn't protected speech so Google were not in the wrong about that. How he can have a case? [1] See misconception 2 here https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Politics-in-the-Workplace-10-01-2011/ https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Polit...
- stromgo 9y ago
  Your easy proof is completely wrong. There's discrimination against white men if the hiring bar is higher for them. To check this using workforce statistics you'd need to compare the fraction of white men in the workforce to what it would be with the same hiring bar for everyone. Comparing the fraction to the magic number 50% is irrelevant.
  - mcphage 9y ago
    > To check this using workforce statistics you'd need to compare the fraction of white men in the workforce to what it would be with the same hiring bar for everyone. If there was the same hiring bar for everyone, then wouldn't the a company (such as Google) who has the ability to hire only the best, end up with a distribution which matches the population as a whole?
    - IanDrake 9y ago
      No. You’re not dealing with reality. Reality is that African Americans are not doing well as a segment of the population, for whatever reason. Reality is that compared to men, women aren’t as interested in STEM, for whatever reason. Reality is that Asian Americans are doing very well in STEM and other fields, for whatever reason. Removing reasons from the equation, you have to realize that reality will dictate the distribution of the best candidates for these jobs. these are all generalizations. A woman can be more interested and better in STEM than a man, but the left forces us to generalize by gender and race, which ultimately lead to statistics that make people uncomfortable. * I provided no citations for these generalizations for the sake of time, but if anyone disagrees I can provide them.
      - mcphage 9y ago
        > you have to realize that reality will dictate the distribution of the best candidates for these jobs That seems backwards—a company would be better off hiring from demographics that are underperforming versus expected, and then finding a way to get them to perform as well as their innate talent would allow.
probably_wrong 9y ago
Someone submitted yesterday a link to the full complaint: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16100834 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16100834
JumpCrisscross 9y ago
Important context: “Harmeet Dhillon,” the attorney at the top-left of page one, is the “chairwoman of the Republican Party in San Francisco” [1]. Damore has managed to pawn himself off as a one-act political ploy and fundraising billing for the 2018 midterms. In exchange, he gets an unwinnable case and play a human heatsink for this issue for the rest of his life. TL; DR If an attorney with political ambitions offers to fight your case for free, you may be paying with something other than currency. [1] http://m.sfgate.com/politics/article/Harmeet-Dhillon-Republican-leader-with-S-F-twist-2374454.php http://m.sfgate.com/politics/article/Harmeet-Dhillon-Republi...
merricksb 9y ago
Extensive discussion previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16098676 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16098676

20 points by djsumdog 9y ago

IanDrake 9y ago

“suggested women may be biologically inferior engineers“ It didn’t say that, but let’s not let truth get in the way.

timmytwotime 9y ago
From the start this article was fraught with inaccuracy and obvious virtue signaling. Not to mention The Verge has attempted to connect Damore to the alt-right on 4chan. This publication cannot be trusted.
- nailer 9y ago
  Better link, with Google-created evidence from Damore's lawyer: https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/950446329603461121 https://twitter.com/mjaeckel/status/950446329603461121
  - IanDrake 9y ago
    Wow. Thanks for the link.

onion2k 9y ago

Google can easily prove that they don't discriminate against white men by demonstrating that their workforce is mainly white men. There obviously isn't any discrimination on that part. There is a question of whether or not Google could discriminate against conservatives, but in the case of Damore they obviously didn't because they employed him. He could claim he was fired for political action in the workplace, but that isn't protected speech so Google were not in the wrong about that. How he can have a case? [1] See misconception 2 here https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Politics-in-the-Workplace-10-01-2011/ https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Polit...

stromgo 9y ago
Your easy proof is completely wrong. There's discrimination against white men if the hiring bar is higher for them. To check this using workforce statistics you'd need to compare the fraction of white men in the workforce to what it would be with the same hiring bar for everyone. Comparing the fraction to the magic number 50% is irrelevant.
- mcphage 9y ago
  > To check this using workforce statistics you'd need to compare the fraction of white men in the workforce to what it would be with the same hiring bar for everyone. If there was the same hiring bar for everyone, then wouldn't the a company (such as Google) who has the ability to hire only the best, end up with a distribution which matches the population as a whole?
  - IanDrake 9y ago
    No. You’re not dealing with reality. Reality is that African Americans are not doing well as a segment of the population, for whatever reason. Reality is that compared to men, women aren’t as interested in STEM, for whatever reason. Reality is that Asian Americans are doing very well in STEM and other fields, for whatever reason. Removing reasons from the equation, you have to realize that reality will dictate the distribution of the best candidates for these jobs. these are all generalizations. A woman can be more interested and better in STEM than a man, but the left forces us to generalize by gender and race, which ultimately lead to statistics that make people uncomfortable. * I provided no citations for these generalizations for the sake of time, but if anyone disagrees I can provide them.
    - mcphage 9y ago
      > you have to realize that reality will dictate the distribution of the best candidates for these jobs That seems backwards—a company would be better off hiring from demographics that are underperforming versus expected, and then finding a way to get them to perform as well as their innate talent would allow.

probably_wrong 9y ago

Someone submitted yesterday a link to the full complaint: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16100834 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16100834

JumpCrisscross 9y ago

Important context: “Harmeet Dhillon,” the attorney at the top-left of page one, is the “chairwoman of the Republican Party in San Francisco” [1]. Damore has managed to pawn himself off as a one-act political ploy and fundraising billing for the 2018 midterms. In exchange, he gets an unwinnable case and play a human heatsink for this issue for the rest of his life. TL; DR If an attorney with political ambitions offers to fight your case for free, you may be paying with something other than currency. [1] http://m.sfgate.com/politics/article/Harmeet-Dhillon-Republican-leader-with-S-F-twist-2374454.php http://m.sfgate.com/politics/article/Harmeet-Dhillon-Republi...

merricksb 9y ago

Extensive discussion previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16098676 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16098676