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That's like saying "I don't have any doors in my house, just open frames. So I'm not affected by the weaknesses in locks."

krapp 9y ago
Locks are just propaganda anyway.
- the-dude 9y ago
  May I suggest a social construct ?
tscs37 9y ago
Yeah but TempleOS also lacks networking so the house is also in interstellar space completely isolated from burglars trying to steal your stuff. It's a very interesting design, I recommend to atleast play a bit with TempleOS.
mrob 9y ago
If lack of doors was standard, everybody would see the open frames, and culture would adapt to them. Weaknesses in computer security are much harder to spot. Spectre has been possible for decades without mainstream attention. It's this lack of understandability that I think is dangerous. Many people will assume systems are secure just because they don't see an obvious way to exploit them, and because the complexity has grown far beyond what will fit into a human brain there will undoubtedly be non-obvious flaws. Is weak security really better than no security? The "no security" model really means "socially enforced security", which is playing to human strengths. It's much easier to understand than figuring out the full consequences of speculative execution.
- DougN7 9y ago
  I might believe that stance if you can think of any human scenario where there is value and nobody tries to take advantage of it. We can’t have nice things/utipia as long as some people are evil.
Torwald 9y ago
Which could be fine, if we have a society without theft or the house is in a gated community etc. I think that was the point of the grandparent: when do we really need it?
crististm 9y ago
This is not the first OS without kernel/userspace isolation. LISP machines for example used virtual memory but not process isolation. In fact it was a top advertised feature that you could get your hands on any piece of data and code running on the system at any time.
- kazinator 9y ago
  We generally speak about the first OS with that isolation; of course early OSs were without it.

krapp 9y ago

Locks are just propaganda anyway.

the-dude 9y ago
May I suggest a social construct ?

tscs37 9y ago

Yeah but TempleOS also lacks networking so the house is also in interstellar space completely isolated from burglars trying to steal your stuff. It's a very interesting design, I recommend to atleast play a bit with TempleOS.

mrob 9y ago

If lack of doors was standard, everybody would see the open frames, and culture would adapt to them. Weaknesses in computer security are much harder to spot. Spectre has been possible for decades without mainstream attention. It's this lack of understandability that I think is dangerous. Many people will assume systems are secure just because they don't see an obvious way to exploit them, and because the complexity has grown far beyond what will fit into a human brain there will undoubtedly be non-obvious flaws. Is weak security really better than no security? The "no security" model really means "socially enforced security", which is playing to human strengths. It's much easier to understand than figuring out the full consequences of speculative execution.

DougN7 9y ago
I might believe that stance if you can think of any human scenario where there is value and nobody tries to take advantage of it. We can’t have nice things/utipia as long as some people are evil.

Torwald 9y ago

Which could be fine, if we have a society without theft or the house is in a gated community etc. I think that was the point of the grandparent: when do we really need it?

crististm 9y ago

This is not the first OS without kernel/userspace isolation. LISP machines for example used virtual memory but not process isolation. In fact it was a top advertised feature that you could get your hands on any piece of data and code running on the system at any time.

kazinator 9y ago
We generally speak about the first OS with that isolation; of course early OSs were without it.