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I don't know anything about this, but I'm wondering, is the slow and quality food movement compatible with the need to fill the bellies of soon 10 bil people? I

I don't know anything about this, but I'm wondering, is the slow and quality food movement compatible with the need to fill the bellies of soon 10 bil people? Is this just privilege for the first world? I love a good trip to Whole Foods or Eataly as much as anybody else, but how do we make that scale?

fogzen 9y ago
By not eating meat or dairy and relying on grains and legumes.
- PerfectElement 9y ago
  Forgot nuts, seeds and mushrooms.
  - abrowne 9y ago
    And vegetables and fruits I hope?
ThomPete 9y ago
Slow food is about enjoying food which might mean longer preparation but less quantity. So in many ways yes (in some ways no)
frandroid 9y ago
Quality food usually requires less transformation and thus resources. Might require more labour tough...
ars 9y ago
Knowing the origin of food will not hurt anything. Just avoid the terrible "eat local" idea. It's horrible for the environment. Grow food in the climate/area that suits it best. Not in the area that happens to be next to the consumer. Transportation costs are a LOT LOT lower than you think. Eating only local uses more energy, not less.
- sirsar 9y ago
  Do you have any sources for this? I was under the impression that the goal of the "eat local" movement is to get consumers to eat food that naturally grows in their climate, not to start growing bananas under heat lamps in Canada.
  - ars 9y ago
    So people in Canada should eat only Maple Syrup (and I guess Seals), the Midwest only Corn, and California only Almonds and Veggies? This is completely unrealistic, and unhealthy as well. There are lots of places were food grows OK (and humans lived that way for a long time), but the best is to grow food in the best place for it, not just "OK". You use less fertilizer, and energy that way. The slight added transportation cost doesn't even come close. And in any case, what's the value here? Why do that? What difference does it make where the food grows? I've heard silly things like "less pesticide" - but that makes no sense - what about the people living near that food? If they eat it does it somehow have less pesticide, but people far away get more?
    - sirsar 9y ago
      Yes, the most generous interpretation of "eat food that naturally grows in their climate" is definitely "people in Canada should eat only Maple Syrup." Are you willing to have a discussion and apply the Principle of Charity or not? And again, do you have any sources? > The slight added transportation cost doesn't even come close [...] What's the value here? If you preferentially buy food that does not need to be shipped long distances, you can reduce your carbon footprint. > In 2005, the import of fruits, nuts, and vegetables into California by airplane released more than 70,000 tons of CO2, which is equivalent to more than 12,000 cars on the road. [0] https://food-hub.org/files/resources/Food%20Miles.pdf https://food-hub.org/files/resources/Food%20Miles.pdf
      - metafrag 9y ago
        Chile was exporting saltpeter to Europe by steamship to fertilize local fields before the Haber process was invented. Nowadays it's a little bit like, "Well, the entire world is connected by kinetic prisms and half the food is almost-literally generated by nuclear fission." If you can figure out the math, you're a better engineer than me. Puts on goggles and aviator's cap to resume tilting at the Organic Lychee windmill

fogzen 9y ago

By not eating meat or dairy and relying on grains and legumes.

PerfectElement 9y ago
Forgot nuts, seeds and mushrooms.
- abrowne 9y ago
  And vegetables and fruits I hope?

ThomPete 9y ago

Slow food is about enjoying food which might mean longer preparation but less quantity. So in many ways yes (in some ways no)

frandroid 9y ago

Quality food usually requires less transformation and thus resources. Might require more labour tough...

ars 9y ago

Knowing the origin of food will not hurt anything. Just avoid the terrible "eat local" idea. It's horrible for the environment. Grow food in the climate/area that suits it best. Not in the area that happens to be next to the consumer. Transportation costs are a LOT LOT lower than you think. Eating only local uses more energy, not less.

sirsar 9y ago
Do you have any sources for this? I was under the impression that the goal of the "eat local" movement is to get consumers to eat food that naturally grows in their climate, not to start growing bananas under heat lamps in Canada.
- ars 9y ago
  So people in Canada should eat only Maple Syrup (and I guess Seals), the Midwest only Corn, and California only Almonds and Veggies? This is completely unrealistic, and unhealthy as well. There are lots of places were food grows OK (and humans lived that way for a long time), but the best is to grow food in the best place for it, not just "OK". You use less fertilizer, and energy that way. The slight added transportation cost doesn't even come close. And in any case, what's the value here? Why do that? What difference does it make where the food grows? I've heard silly things like "less pesticide" - but that makes no sense - what about the people living near that food? If they eat it does it somehow have less pesticide, but people far away get more?
  - sirsar 9y ago
    Yes, the most generous interpretation of "eat food that naturally grows in their climate" is definitely "people in Canada should eat only Maple Syrup." Are you willing to have a discussion and apply the Principle of Charity or not? And again, do you have any sources? > The slight added transportation cost doesn't even come close [...] What's the value here? If you preferentially buy food that does not need to be shipped long distances, you can reduce your carbon footprint. > In 2005, the import of fruits, nuts, and vegetables into California by airplane released more than 70,000 tons of CO2, which is equivalent to more than 12,000 cars on the road. [0] https://food-hub.org/files/resources/Food%20Miles.pdf https://food-hub.org/files/resources/Food%20Miles.pdf
    - metafrag 9y ago
      Chile was exporting saltpeter to Europe by steamship to fertilize local fields before the Haber process was invented. Nowadays it's a little bit like, "Well, the entire world is connected by kinetic prisms and half the food is almost-literally generated by nuclear fission." If you can figure out the math, you're a better engineer than me. Puts on goggles and aviator's cap to resume tilting at the Organic Lychee windmill