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Times have changed. If Russia were to invade Finland today, they wouldn't do it in the midst of winter, with large armies along roads that can easily be cut off

Times have changed. If Russia were to invade Finland today, they wouldn't do it in the midst of winter, with large armies along roads that can easily be cut off. I think the Fins are right in preparing for the worst, or as the department of Defense puts it "messaging about where the limits are". I am very curious about what kind of warfare they are expecting from the east though.

dyyni 9y ago
>I am very curious about what kind of warfare they are expecting from the east though. What they're prepared for is a "strategic strike" and/or a limited scale invasion which is a part of a larger conflict in Europe. Combined arms and fast pace, but not a hybrid war like in Crimea or a separate war where Russia is only engaged in Finland. The Finnish Army reformed their doctrine quite recently [1] with the goal of ensuring adequate performance with lesser troops (war time strength has been reduced significantly in the 2000s). [1] video with Eng subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2crAx8kibis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2crAx8kibis
jernfrost 9y ago
I think you overestimate the Russians grossly. They screwed up in countless wars since then against small nations. They couldn't take out Czeczenia. They failed in Afghanistan. Why should they succeed in Finland. Russia is capable of dealing with long drawn out battles on home turf. They have not displayed that great ability to invade. To be real, neither has really the US either. You can't underestimate an opponent fighting on home turf for their own independence against an opponent, where the soldiers don't really see the reason why they are invading in the first place. Also remember for whatever tech or equipment the Russians have. They have really shitty democratic traditions. They don't let their men work independently. History has shown again and again that top heavy armies are ineffective. It is how Israel beat 3x bigger Arab armies, even when the Arabs had better tech.
- linkregister 9y ago
  > They have not displayed that great ability to invade. To be real, neither has really the US either. Russian and American forces successfully invaded German-occupied territory and Germany in the second world war.
  - Systemic33 9y ago
    Invasion != Liberation
    - tsukikage 9y ago
      It's one of them irregular verbs, innit. I liberate, you intervene, he/she/it invades.

dyyni 9y ago

>I am very curious about what kind of warfare they are expecting from the east though. What they're prepared for is a "strategic strike" and/or a limited scale invasion which is a part of a larger conflict in Europe. Combined arms and fast pace, but not a hybrid war like in Crimea or a separate war where Russia is only engaged in Finland. The Finnish Army reformed their doctrine quite recently [1] with the goal of ensuring adequate performance with lesser troops (war time strength has been reduced significantly in the 2000s). [1] video with Eng subtitles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2crAx8kibis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2crAx8kibis

jernfrost 9y ago

I think you overestimate the Russians grossly. They screwed up in countless wars since then against small nations. They couldn't take out Czeczenia. They failed in Afghanistan. Why should they succeed in Finland. Russia is capable of dealing with long drawn out battles on home turf. They have not displayed that great ability to invade. To be real, neither has really the US either. You can't underestimate an opponent fighting on home turf for their own independence against an opponent, where the soldiers don't really see the reason why they are invading in the first place. Also remember for whatever tech or equipment the Russians have. They have really shitty democratic traditions. They don't let their men work independently. History has shown again and again that top heavy armies are ineffective. It is how Israel beat 3x bigger Arab armies, even when the Arabs had better tech.

linkregister 9y ago
> They have not displayed that great ability to invade. To be real, neither has really the US either. Russian and American forces successfully invaded German-occupied territory and Germany in the second world war.
- Systemic33 9y ago
  Invasion != Liberation
  - tsukikage 9y ago
    It's one of them irregular verbs, innit. I liberate, you intervene, he/she/it invades.