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If people "on the left" won't allow him to speak, where exactly do you expect him to go? It's like the people on the right saying Edward Snowden is obviously a
by jblow 9y ago
If people "on the left" won't allow him to speak, where exactly do you expect him to go?
It's like the people on the right saying Edward Snowden is obviously a traitor/spy because he went to Russia. Uhhh... something very obvious is being ignored there.
Also, come on ... Joe Rogan is definitely not right-wing. Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin do not self-identify as right-wing. And your [1] just seems a little extreme. "The far right is just a slip away from the reasonable right, therefore the reasonable right is dangerous?" But you don't apply that same idea to the left? Why not?
The real pattern here is that he went to the shows that would have him as a guest for reasonable discussion.
- roenxi 9y ago> If people "on the left" won't allow him to speak, where exactly do you expect him to go? Adding to this; we should bear in mind that while nobody specific speaks for "the left"'s moral judgments, at least some people literally won't allow him to speak. Secondly, he was never trying to be a martyr and we shouldn't expect him to be one. He was posting a controversial opinion on a message board marked for controversial opinion. He was clearly putting in a solid attempt to be objective and to employ facts and evidence. He has some academic exposure to the fields he was talking about. He didn't expect to be targeted the way he was; he likely wasn't trying to set himself up as a hero of free speech; and he doesn't have to do a walk of shame through hostile talk shows to justify his intentions if he doesn't feel like taking the (unjustified) heat.
- notfromhere 9y agoHe sent out a company-wide memo on a very controversial subject pretending to be an expert. I don't know what he expected, but that was stupid.
- jacksmith21006 9y agoThis has nothing to do with being right or left. It is simply a human decency thing. A manager and company is responsible for everyone and after he shared such views with his name you could never keep him and have him working along side women. Google did exactly what they had to do. It is not complicated.
- maoistinquisitr 9y agoThis is the heckler's veto. Free speech is a cultural matter, not just a protection from the federal and state governments.
- s73ver_ 9y agoBut now you're getting into the "free speech for me, not for thee" part. You're basically saying that Damore is entitled to free speech and protection, but that Google and his former co-workers are not. Remember, who you work with is part of the freedom of association which is a component of free speech.
- jblow 9y agoFiring someone is speech? A whole lot of laws disagree with you about that.
- Idontknowmyuser 9y agoThis is a strawman I'm very hard pressed to find anyone in HN at least who would deny Goolgle's right or another other party's right of writing a rebuttal to his claims. A free and open internal debate is exactly what Damore was trying to start. Firing to me at least is not speech, it's an inherently violent act.
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- dragonwriter 9y ago> If people "on the left" won't allow him to speak, where exactly do you expect him to go? Damore himself said he wanted to go on friendly media to do interviews, not that other media wouldn't have him.
- Idontknowmyuser 9y ago"The far right is just a slip away from the reasonable right, therefore the reasonable right is dangerous?" I'm pretty sure this is textbook slippery slope fallacy