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Never knew joe organ was right wing. I've been listening to his podcasts which seem pretty good.

viridian 9y ago
I don't think he is, a gave a couple reasons why here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16099356 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16099356 But this has been a big topic of debate on his podcast subreddit as well. I think it mainly comes from the guests he has on, but Joe has written on Twitter about how getting left leaning guests on to talk politics is just a lot harder. Russell Brand is great and all, but no one else really seems interested for whatever reason.
H99189 9y ago
He's not, but if you're a gallon of gasoline, the remotest spark can seem like a huge threat to your very existence, which is what I took the overreaction to the memo to be. He spoke his mind, with citations, and he was torched for it, and the left wing outlets except for Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin had no interest in letting his real story come out, because the overreaction, the firing and the ongoing assault on his character is shameful if you ask me.
- lurr 9y ago
  > the left wing outlets except for Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin had no interest in letting his real story come out Which ones did he ask to speak on?
propman 9y ago
He's not "right wing". Hating SJWs and the extreme left isn't right wing. People are complicated and labeling someone as right wing to invalidate someone's every position is as bad as what the right does to the left. He is if anything fairly moderate with a slight libertarian streak, especially when it comes to drugs. I don't agree with lots of his positions and he's definitely not some really smart guru, but I like that he's an average guy with an open mind who lets speakers of all viewpoints express themselves in a very welcoming way. I mean hosting Jordan Peterson and Brett Weinstein, both on the 2 ends of the political spectrum and making it a very intellectually stimulating dialogue is a breath of fresh air in today's gotcha media. You know CNN and fox have an agenda when they bring opposing viewpoints on their show, trying to invalidate their ideas. In joe rogan's podcasts that never seems to be the case, instead discussion leads to more moderate viewpoints rather than debates and winners. Only really see that on PBS lately. That said, I do find many of his guests abhorant and just skip a fair bit of his podcasts.
- rainbowmverse 9y ago
  Those activities may not make someone right wing, but they're at risk of slamming into the right half of the bulkhead if there's turbulence. When things get heated, it makes them hard to tell apart from people who are awful and also use that kind of rhetoric.
- muninn_ 9y ago
  > That said, I do find many of his guests abhorant and just skip a fair bit of his podcasts. So please don't take this in a way that means I'm bashing you or anything of the sort. I loved your post, but I do take issue with this particular comment from an otherwise interesting and thoughtful response. This mindset, unfortunately, is very reminiscent of an echo chamber. "I don't like this person or what I think they have to say so I'm not even going to hear them". While I of course don't think you should be forced to listen to something uninteresting, it would be great if we all spent more time listening to people we can't stand or ideas that we find abhorrent so that we can gain better perspective and empathy of our fellow people.
Helmet 9y ago
Christ. He isn't, and for the love of god, stop reading things that people on the internet tell you and immediately accepting them as fact. Even what I just said, that he isn't, you should go look up, investigate, and see what YOU think.

I don't think he is, a gave a couple reasons why here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16099356 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16099356 But this has been a big topic of debate on his podcast subreddit as well. I think it mainly comes from the guests he has on, but Joe has written on Twitter about how getting left leaning guests on to talk politics is just a lot harder. Russell Brand is great and all, but no one else really seems interested for whatever reason.

H99189 9y ago

He's not, but if you're a gallon of gasoline, the remotest spark can seem like a huge threat to your very existence, which is what I took the overreaction to the memo to be. He spoke his mind, with citations, and he was torched for it, and the left wing outlets except for Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin had no interest in letting his real story come out, because the overreaction, the firing and the ongoing assault on his character is shameful if you ask me.

lurr 9y ago
> the left wing outlets except for Joe Rogan and Dave Rubin had no interest in letting his real story come out Which ones did he ask to speak on?

propman 9y ago

He's not "right wing". Hating SJWs and the extreme left isn't right wing. People are complicated and labeling someone as right wing to invalidate someone's every position is as bad as what the right does to the left. He is if anything fairly moderate with a slight libertarian streak, especially when it comes to drugs. I don't agree with lots of his positions and he's definitely not some really smart guru, but I like that he's an average guy with an open mind who lets speakers of all viewpoints express themselves in a very welcoming way. I mean hosting Jordan Peterson and Brett Weinstein, both on the 2 ends of the political spectrum and making it a very intellectually stimulating dialogue is a breath of fresh air in today's gotcha media. You know CNN and fox have an agenda when they bring opposing viewpoints on their show, trying to invalidate their ideas. In joe rogan's podcasts that never seems to be the case, instead discussion leads to more moderate viewpoints rather than debates and winners. Only really see that on PBS lately. That said, I do find many of his guests abhorant and just skip a fair bit of his podcasts.

rainbowmverse 9y ago
Those activities may not make someone right wing, but they're at risk of slamming into the right half of the bulkhead if there's turbulence. When things get heated, it makes them hard to tell apart from people who are awful and also use that kind of rhetoric.
muninn_ 9y ago
> That said, I do find many of his guests abhorant and just skip a fair bit of his podcasts. So please don't take this in a way that means I'm bashing you or anything of the sort. I loved your post, but I do take issue with this particular comment from an otherwise interesting and thoughtful response. This mindset, unfortunately, is very reminiscent of an echo chamber. "I don't like this person or what I think they have to say so I'm not even going to hear them". While I of course don't think you should be forced to listen to something uninteresting, it would be great if we all spent more time listening to people we can't stand or ideas that we find abhorrent so that we can gain better perspective and empathy of our fellow people.

Helmet 9y ago

Christ. He isn't, and for the love of god, stop reading things that people on the internet tell you and immediately accepting them as fact. Even what I just said, that he isn't, you should go look up, investigate, and see what YOU think.