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I largely agreed with the memo. I have coworkers and friends who fell on either side of the camp, but more in the agree camp than disagree. Should we just purge

I largely agreed with the memo. I have coworkers and friends who fell on either side of the camp, but more in the agree camp than disagree. Should we just purge half the developers in Columbus for Silicon Valley wrongthink? edit: looks like thenayr updated his post a couple of times since my reply. When written only the first two lines were present.

threeseed 9y ago
(1) Your anecdotal evidence is literally worthless. You need to provide some statistics that 50% of developers support him. I can easily self select 100% of developers who disagree with Damore. (2) If you agree/disagree with Damore that's great. It's your right as a person to have opinions and no company can criticise you for that. What you can't do however is publicise these issues on any forum. It's simply not a topic that has any merit being discussed in a professional environment.
- Pyxl101 9y ago
  The differences between men and women are a legitimate topic of scientific inquiry, and therefore discussion. It should certainly be reasonable to explore whether differences in traits leads to differences in preferences or interests such as occupation.
  - threeseed 9y ago
    Of course it's an important and legitimate topic of discussion. Just don't discuss it at work. It's called professionalism.
    - bmelton 9y ago
      Does that include diversity training that focuses on implicit and explicit consciousness bias differences between men and woman?
    - Crespyl 9y ago
      > don't discuss it at work Even after attending a work event on that very topic, which specifically asked for feedback and further discussion? Or should discussion be restricted to only one viewpoint?
- viridian 9y ago
  In resp to 2) He wrote the memo in response to an event he attended where they asked for feedback. Are you saying that you can't provide feedback on a topic that a talk is about if you come to the "wrong" conclusion? I've attended diversity events and have seen opinions expressed in the open, to executives even, that were far less progressive than Damore's interpretation. I think this is just a coastal thing, having topics like diversity be verboten seems silly if we are also having meetings about, setting up programs for, and shifting our non-tech->tech career plotting to favor diverse candidates.
- mnglkhn2 9y ago
  If you agree that one's opinion is "anecdotal" then why do you even bother expressing your opinion?! Unless you think your opinion is more relevant than OP's.
- bmelton 9y ago
  Do you really mean to suggest that someone holding contrary views cannot express them on any forum?
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threeseed 9y ago

(1) Your anecdotal evidence is literally worthless. You need to provide some statistics that 50% of developers support him. I can easily self select 100% of developers who disagree with Damore. (2) If you agree/disagree with Damore that's great. It's your right as a person to have opinions and no company can criticise you for that. What you can't do however is publicise these issues on any forum. It's simply not a topic that has any merit being discussed in a professional environment.

Pyxl101 9y ago
The differences between men and women are a legitimate topic of scientific inquiry, and therefore discussion. It should certainly be reasonable to explore whether differences in traits leads to differences in preferences or interests such as occupation.
- threeseed 9y ago
  Of course it's an important and legitimate topic of discussion. Just don't discuss it at work. It's called professionalism.
  - bmelton 9y ago
    Does that include diversity training that focuses on implicit and explicit consciousness bias differences between men and woman?
  - Crespyl 9y ago
    > don't discuss it at work Even after attending a work event on that very topic, which specifically asked for feedback and further discussion? Or should discussion be restricted to only one viewpoint?
viridian 9y ago
In resp to 2) He wrote the memo in response to an event he attended where they asked for feedback. Are you saying that you can't provide feedback on a topic that a talk is about if you come to the "wrong" conclusion? I've attended diversity events and have seen opinions expressed in the open, to executives even, that were far less progressive than Damore's interpretation. I think this is just a coastal thing, having topics like diversity be verboten seems silly if we are also having meetings about, setting up programs for, and shifting our non-tech->tech career plotting to favor diverse candidates.
mnglkhn2 9y ago
If you agree that one's opinion is "anecdotal" then why do you even bother expressing your opinion?! Unless you think your opinion is more relevant than OP's.
bmelton 9y ago
Do you really mean to suggest that someone holding contrary views cannot express them on any forum?

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