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What wording do you suggest they use?

keerthiko 9y ago
His memo was more along the lines of "women are less represented in tech because the industry does not favor their traits which are possibly a result of biological differences"
- JustSomeNobody 9y ago
  And what biological differences would those be?
  - anonemouse145 9y ago
    Read the paper, including citations.
- rifung 9y ago
  The article seems to have it correct to me? From the memo: "I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership" preferences and abilities he says.
  - anonemouse145 9y ago
    Yes. And? He suggests ways to alter Google's engineering jobs to suit abilities females are more likely to excel at, such as making work more social. Its almost like different doesn't mean worse.
- lurr 9y ago
  Also women aren't going into "high stress jobs" because they are too neurotic for them. oh and diversity programs are bad. for some reason.
stale2002 9y ago
I think he said something about biologically less INTERESTED in engineering, nothing about capability.
- dguaraglia 9y ago
  Would you call "lack of interest" a handicap? Would you be likely to be suspicious about candidates coming from a group that you know to be "less interested" in a job you are offering?
  - stale2002 9y ago
    No? The person who isn't interested wouldn't even be applying in the industry in the first place.
    - dguaraglia 9y ago
      I know plenty of people who are in the industry because it pays well and not because they are fascinated by engineering problems. Even among those who are interested in engineering, there's a wide gamut from "obsessive learner who wants to spend all their time in the computer" to "I love my job, but I'd rather be enjoying my favorite hobby/spending time with my kids". Also, notice that interest doesn't necessarily translate into performance, as there are plenty of factors that affect performance besides "general interest in tinkering with things." Some of the worst performers I've met were obsessive "language experts" who enjoyed gaming (another "male" trait) and spent their weekends on their computers. Their apparent obsession didn't make them more performant than parents who spent nights and most weekends with their kids.
  - verroq 9y ago
    Association fallacy [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
- paulgb 9y ago
  The memo is online, you can verify in 10 seconds that he used the phrase "preferences and abilities".

His memo was more along the lines of "women are less represented in tech because the industry does not favor their traits which are possibly a result of biological differences"

JustSomeNobody 9y ago
And what biological differences would those be?
- anonemouse145 9y ago
  Read the paper, including citations.
rifung 9y ago
The article seems to have it correct to me? From the memo: "I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership" preferences and abilities he says.
- anonemouse145 9y ago
  Yes. And? He suggests ways to alter Google's engineering jobs to suit abilities females are more likely to excel at, such as making work more social. Its almost like different doesn't mean worse.
lurr 9y ago
Also women aren't going into "high stress jobs" because they are too neurotic for them. oh and diversity programs are bad. for some reason.

stale2002 9y ago

I think he said something about biologically less INTERESTED in engineering, nothing about capability.

dguaraglia 9y ago
Would you call "lack of interest" a handicap? Would you be likely to be suspicious about candidates coming from a group that you know to be "less interested" in a job you are offering?
- stale2002 9y ago
  No? The person who isn't interested wouldn't even be applying in the industry in the first place.
  - dguaraglia 9y ago
    I know plenty of people who are in the industry because it pays well and not because they are fascinated by engineering problems. Even among those who are interested in engineering, there's a wide gamut from "obsessive learner who wants to spend all their time in the computer" to "I love my job, but I'd rather be enjoying my favorite hobby/spending time with my kids". Also, notice that interest doesn't necessarily translate into performance, as there are plenty of factors that affect performance besides "general interest in tinkering with things." Some of the worst performers I've met were obsessive "language experts" who enjoyed gaming (another "male" trait) and spent their weekends on their computers. Their apparent obsession didn't make them more performant than parents who spent nights and most weekends with their kids.
- verroq 9y ago
  Association fallacy [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy
paulgb 9y ago
The memo is online, you can verify in 10 seconds that he used the phrase "preferences and abilities".