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Government Quietly Changes Rules on Foreign Tech Workers

6 points by jyu 19y ago

cstejerean 19y ago
I don't get while everyone likes to complain that there are these high skilled American engineers that can't get jobs because of cheaper H1B workers? Where are the people because I know many companies paying top dollar that have a real problem finding talent.
- jcromartie 19y ago
  > Where are the people And to you I say "where are the companies?" I know that I can speak for myself and my peers that these mythical $100K positions that companies are having such a hard time filling are pretty hard to come by. This move by DHS looks like blatant brown-nosing to corporate interests who have been pushing this "shortage" crap in order to cut their bottom line. It's pretty clear that cost cutting is the main motive when the average H-1B worker is paid thousands less than the average native employee in the same field. P.S. I understand that companies DO have a hard time finding talent. The market is filled to the brim with JavaSchool clones that flood HR departments with hundreds of resumes week after week. The companies should, however, actually try to reach out to good talent instead of just wading through piles of resumes.
  - sanswork 19y ago
    How do you propose they reach out to the good talent? I ask because I know managers at a number of companies near me that cannot find good developers. They can find 100 far less than ideal ones but finding one that is worth hiring and doesn't already have a good job is proving near impossible. So how would you recommend they go about finding these people?
    - osipov 19y ago
      they can start by lowering their standards...
      - sanswork 19y ago
        Why should they spend their money on less than ideal candidates when apparently a lot of highly skilled and great developers are out of work and desperate?
        osipov 19y ago
        >finding one that is worth hiring and doesn't already have a good job is proving near impossible I think you answered your own question. At some point they should just take a look at the harsh reality and concede that they aren't the most attractive place to work for the money they pay.
        sanswork 19y ago
        It's harder to convince a quality person to leave a stable position for another stable position than it is to convince them to come to yours from no position despite what perks you may offer. I think one of the few companies in IT who doesn't have this issue right now is probably Facebook, Google use to be in that position until recently when there seems to be some backlash. The harsh reality is that there really is a disproportionate number of bad to ok programmers in the North American market compared to good to great programmers. So I guess getting back on topic. Is there a shortage of developers? No. Is there a shortage of quality developers? Probably.
  - cstejerean 19y ago
    Send me an email if you live around Chicago.
maximilian 19y ago
This is like, a BFD. I have some foreign friends that would love to use this when they graduate. Can you imagine, all the students who will bring a printout of this change to their job interviews to prove that the company can hire them. Pretty awesome for them. Probably more competition for me when I try to get a job in a tech company.

6 points by jyu 19y ago

I don't get while everyone likes to complain that there are these high skilled American engineers that can't get jobs because of cheaper H1B workers? Where are the people because I know many companies paying top dollar that have a real problem finding talent.

jcromartie 19y ago
> Where are the people And to you I say "where are the companies?" I know that I can speak for myself and my peers that these mythical $100K positions that companies are having such a hard time filling are pretty hard to come by. This move by DHS looks like blatant brown-nosing to corporate interests who have been pushing this "shortage" crap in order to cut their bottom line. It's pretty clear that cost cutting is the main motive when the average H-1B worker is paid thousands less than the average native employee in the same field. P.S. I understand that companies DO have a hard time finding talent. The market is filled to the brim with JavaSchool clones that flood HR departments with hundreds of resumes week after week. The companies should, however, actually try to reach out to good talent instead of just wading through piles of resumes.
- sanswork 19y ago
  How do you propose they reach out to the good talent? I ask because I know managers at a number of companies near me that cannot find good developers. They can find 100 far less than ideal ones but finding one that is worth hiring and doesn't already have a good job is proving near impossible. So how would you recommend they go about finding these people?
  - osipov 19y ago
    they can start by lowering their standards...
    - sanswork 19y ago
      Why should they spend their money on less than ideal candidates when apparently a lot of highly skilled and great developers are out of work and desperate?
      - osipov 19y ago
        >finding one that is worth hiring and doesn't already have a good job is proving near impossible I think you answered your own question. At some point they should just take a look at the harsh reality and concede that they aren't the most attractive place to work for the money they pay.
        sanswork 19y ago
        It's harder to convince a quality person to leave a stable position for another stable position than it is to convince them to come to yours from no position despite what perks you may offer. I think one of the few companies in IT who doesn't have this issue right now is probably Facebook, Google use to be in that position until recently when there seems to be some backlash. The harsh reality is that there really is a disproportionate number of bad to ok programmers in the North American market compared to good to great programmers. So I guess getting back on topic. Is there a shortage of developers? No. Is there a shortage of quality developers? Probably.
- cstejerean 19y ago
  Send me an email if you live around Chicago.

maximilian 19y ago

This is like, a BFD. I have some foreign friends that would love to use this when they graduate. Can you imagine, all the students who will bring a printout of this change to their job interviews to prove that the company can hire them. Pretty awesome for them. Probably more competition for me when I try to get a job in a tech company.