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unfortunately while cynical i do believe this comment captures the reality of the situation. whatshisface, what do you think can be done to take back US society

unfortunately while cynical i do believe this comment captures the reality of the situation. whatshisface, what do you think can be done to take back US society and make it a little closer to what our seemingly more critically-thinking predecessors had lived through?

yazaddaruvala 9y ago
I agree this is a reality. Just like the cynical reality that C/C++ programers don't want to encourage package managers. The higher the barriers to entry the more you're talents are worth. The reality is, regardless of any one groups desire, the productivity wins of package managers are too great and the momentum of the larger software development community is moving towards package managers for every language and will one day include C/C++. Similarly, lawmakers are a select few of a larger community of domestic but more importantly international lawyers. You give the larger community a 10x productivity win, and just sit back and watch the domino effect work.
- jacques_chester 9y ago
  Lawyers already study the laws of other countries. It is common for precedents established in one country to be imported into another country by "persuasion". It is also common to more or less copy and paste legislation or other legal wording. Draftsmanship is not the hard part of law. The hard part is everything else.
spynxic 9y ago
_Evidence_: > when was the last time you saw something that actually had to be explained come up in a televised debate? _Question_: > what do you think can be done to take back US society and make it a little closer to what our seemingly more critically-thinking predecessors had lived through? _Logic_: An individual can only critically think about or evaluate things that are presented to them. _Issue_: If something is glossed over, for whatever reason (be it too difficult to understand), it has not been [and likely will never be] presented for evaluation unless ____(Reason #1). The issue doesn't end with the lack of presentation -- instead it ends with the consensus that it's OK or necessary to gloss over things because ______(Reason #2).
- arthurcolle 9y ago
  I was asking a completely friendly question out of genuine curiosity as to his opinion. your insinuation that I am not capable of logical thinking based on my honest question, as well as the cutesy symbolics is a little bit rude, and I hope you got a kick out of getting all the formatting to line up. A+ work
  - spynxic 9y ago
    > I was asking a completely friendly question out of genuine curiosity as to his opinion. Why do you feel the need to tell me this? I wouldn't have commented if I thought otherwise. P.S. There was no intention to be demeaning. Just intention to present the issue clearly. As for the cutesy symbols, they're there to make clear that this isn't a problem because it's DIFFICULT to solve, as the solution is perfectly clear. Give individuals a voice by informing them and allow them to offer an evaluation. The reason it's still a problem is because of a lack of leverage on the uninformed individuals' behalf. No need to get worked up about simple things.
    - dang 9y ago
      > No need to get worked up about simple things. Please don't cross into personal rudeness, regardless of whether someone else did.
  - dang 9y ago
    Please remain civil, even if you feel someone has insinuated something. Which, incidentally, they often haven't. This kind of thing is notoriously difficult to read, which is an additional reason to remain civil. Edit: unfortunately you've broken the HN guidelines with incivility quite a bit in the past too. We ban accounts that do that. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and clean up your act if you want to keep commenting here.

yazaddaruvala 9y ago

I agree this is a reality. Just like the cynical reality that C/C++ programers don't want to encourage package managers. The higher the barriers to entry the more you're talents are worth. The reality is, regardless of any one groups desire, the productivity wins of package managers are too great and the momentum of the larger software development community is moving towards package managers for every language and will one day include C/C++. Similarly, lawmakers are a select few of a larger community of domestic but more importantly international lawyers. You give the larger community a 10x productivity win, and just sit back and watch the domino effect work.

jacques_chester 9y ago
Lawyers already study the laws of other countries. It is common for precedents established in one country to be imported into another country by "persuasion". It is also common to more or less copy and paste legislation or other legal wording. Draftsmanship is not the hard part of law. The hard part is everything else.

spynxic 9y ago

_Evidence_: > when was the last time you saw something that actually had to be explained come up in a televised debate? _Question_: > what do you think can be done to take back US society and make it a little closer to what our seemingly more critically-thinking predecessors had lived through? _Logic_: An individual can only critically think about or evaluate things that are presented to them. _Issue_: If something is glossed over, for whatever reason (be it too difficult to understand), it has not been [and likely will never be] presented for evaluation unless ____(Reason #1). The issue doesn't end with the lack of presentation -- instead it ends with the consensus that it's OK or necessary to gloss over things because ______(Reason #2).

arthurcolle 9y ago
I was asking a completely friendly question out of genuine curiosity as to his opinion. your insinuation that I am not capable of logical thinking based on my honest question, as well as the cutesy symbolics is a little bit rude, and I hope you got a kick out of getting all the formatting to line up. A+ work
- spynxic 9y ago
  > I was asking a completely friendly question out of genuine curiosity as to his opinion. Why do you feel the need to tell me this? I wouldn't have commented if I thought otherwise. P.S. There was no intention to be demeaning. Just intention to present the issue clearly. As for the cutesy symbols, they're there to make clear that this isn't a problem because it's DIFFICULT to solve, as the solution is perfectly clear. Give individuals a voice by informing them and allow them to offer an evaluation. The reason it's still a problem is because of a lack of leverage on the uninformed individuals' behalf. No need to get worked up about simple things.
  - dang 9y ago
    > No need to get worked up about simple things. Please don't cross into personal rudeness, regardless of whether someone else did.
- dang 9y ago
  Please remain civil, even if you feel someone has insinuated something. Which, incidentally, they often haven't. This kind of thing is notoriously difficult to read, which is an additional reason to remain civil. Edit: unfortunately you've broken the HN guidelines with incivility quite a bit in the past too. We ban accounts that do that. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and clean up your act if you want to keep commenting here.