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I have looked at the diy tutorials for the later macs the ones that are made hard for end users to maintain - and they make installing custom cooling loops with

I have looked at the diy tutorials for the later macs the ones that are made hard for end users to maintain - and they make installing custom cooling loops with hard tubing look simple.

jjoonathan 9y ago
There's no comparison to desktop PCs which, as you point out, are as simple as lego to build/fix and have part availability that puts lego itself to shame. I was really thinking more about laptops, where the need to peel/replace some glue is nothing next to the availability of parts.
- walshemj 9y ago
  Or as call it to much work for the benefit
- jdietrich 9y ago
  Most enterprise laptops are vastly easier to fix than Apple hardware. The manufacturers of these machines have thought carefully about repairability and designed it in from the start. For example, the Lenovo X270 opens with eight Philips screws. Once you're inside, you'll find an array of standard parts in standard sockets. Lenovo provide a detailed service manual and will sell you anything from a replacement fan to a new LCD from stock. The logic board isn't caked in BGA underfill and has a sensible level of density, so component-level repairs are vastly easier and less time-consuming.
  - jjoonathan 9y ago
    It's good to hear that Lenovo treats you better than Dell treated me. Is this their policy in general or do you have to buy a megabuck enterprise service contract (i.e. the one bonestamp2 identified as not competitive)?
    - lozf 9y ago
      That's all standard on all the real ThinkPads (T and X series) since the IBM days. Most if not all of these models have 3 year warranty, and many with next business day on-site. Probably applies to the mobile workstation series too (used to be the 'W' series, now 'P' I think). They also have spill resistant keyboards as standard (drainage channels to prevent catastrophe, rather than making colour-changing stickers so Apple can bill you for water damage should an accident happen).
    - jdietrich 9y ago
      Completely standard across the Think* line. Service manuals and diagnostic software is available to download directly - you don't even have to log in. You can buy all parts directly from Lenovo or from a distributor without a service contract and regardless of warranty status. Opening the chassis doesn't automatically void your warranty and the terms specifically state which parts you're allowed to replace yourself. The standard US warranty on ThinkPads is one year RTB, but you can upgrade to three years RTB for $99 or three years onsite for $159. International warranty coverage is an extra $10. The standard warranty in Europe is three years onsite. For minor faults, you can usually ask for replacement parts to be shipped for self-installation.

I have looked at the diy tutorials for the later macs the ones that are made hard for end users to maintain - and they make installing custom cooling loops with hard tubing look simple.

jjoonathan 9y ago

There's no comparison to desktop PCs which, as you point out, are as simple as lego to build/fix and have part availability that puts lego itself to shame. I was really thinking more about laptops, where the need to peel/replace some glue is nothing next to the availability of parts.

walshemj 9y ago
Or as call it to much work for the benefit
jdietrich 9y ago
Most enterprise laptops are vastly easier to fix than Apple hardware. The manufacturers of these machines have thought carefully about repairability and designed it in from the start. For example, the Lenovo X270 opens with eight Philips screws. Once you're inside, you'll find an array of standard parts in standard sockets. Lenovo provide a detailed service manual and will sell you anything from a replacement fan to a new LCD from stock. The logic board isn't caked in BGA underfill and has a sensible level of density, so component-level repairs are vastly easier and less time-consuming.
- jjoonathan 9y ago
  It's good to hear that Lenovo treats you better than Dell treated me. Is this their policy in general or do you have to buy a megabuck enterprise service contract (i.e. the one bonestamp2 identified as not competitive)?
  - lozf 9y ago
    That's all standard on all the real ThinkPads (T and X series) since the IBM days. Most if not all of these models have 3 year warranty, and many with next business day on-site. Probably applies to the mobile workstation series too (used to be the 'W' series, now 'P' I think). They also have spill resistant keyboards as standard (drainage channels to prevent catastrophe, rather than making colour-changing stickers so Apple can bill you for water damage should an accident happen).
  - jdietrich 9y ago
    Completely standard across the Think* line. Service manuals and diagnostic software is available to download directly - you don't even have to log in. You can buy all parts directly from Lenovo or from a distributor without a service contract and regardless of warranty status. Opening the chassis doesn't automatically void your warranty and the terms specifically state which parts you're allowed to replace yourself. The standard US warranty on ThinkPads is one year RTB, but you can upgrade to three years RTB for $99 or three years onsite for $159. International warranty coverage is an extra $10. The standard warranty in Europe is three years onsite. For minor faults, you can usually ask for replacement parts to be shipped for self-installation.