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I’m surprised to see nobody call out alcohol consumption. While this is a few years old, the data should be relevant; alcohol takes years to manifest into full

I’m surprised to see nobody call out alcohol consumption. While this is a few years old, the data should be relevant; alcohol takes years to manifest into full-blown health crises: https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/Surveillance95/CONS10.htm https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/Surveillance95/CONS1... Additionally, there has been an upswing in youth consumption in the past decade directly. We need to have a public conversation about what we’re doing to ourselves, especially in places with the extreme “beer culture” like SV, Seattle and Portland.

ianai 9y ago
It’s not just alcohol. Diets heavy on fat and cholesterol seem to only get more popular year after year.
- maroonblazer 9y ago
  Unless there's been some very recent findings that I missed, everything I've been reading for the last several years has found that fat and cholesterol are not the problems we once thought they were.
  - devmunchies 9y ago
    > everything I've been reading Sounds like you only prefer to read stuff that is pro-Keto. Saturated fat and cholesterol are the cause of many western diseases. Cholesterol-deniers are setting people up to get fatty streaks in their artieries. A low fat/cholesterol diet (especially plant based) is the only one that has been proven to reverse heart disease and type 2 diabetes. Many diets are good for losing weight, but that doesn't make them healthy.
    - maroonblazer 9y ago
      > Sounds like you only prefer to read stuff that is pro-Keto. Sounds like you need to check your assumptions as you have no way of knowing what I prefer to read. Others have already provided studies to refute your claim, but here's one more: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20071648 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20071648
      - ianai 9y ago
        From what I’ve learned, diet is both highly individualistic and best based on whole foods. Highly processed and refined foods confuse the statistics. It’s also a highly “incentivized” industry. There’s a lot of misinformation or noise out there, as evidenced in the above.
      - devmunchies 9y ago
        > Sounds like you need to check your assumptions as you have no way of knowing what I prefer to read You said yourself that EVERYTHING you've read in the last couple years has been pro-fat and cholesterol. Am I wrong in assuming that you prefer to read such things?
        sli 9y ago
        They did not use the phrase "pro-fat and cholesterol." That implies something entirely different than their actual wording, "not the problems we once thought they were."
- elsewhen 9y ago
  http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/abstract http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67...
  - ianai 9y ago
    Undoubtedly, there are plenty of bad carbohydrates in the world.
  - jonathansizz 9y ago
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2530902 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...
    - elsewhen 9y ago
      I'm not disputing the findings, but take a look at the "conflict of interest" section of the link you provided.
woopwoop 9y ago
>Additionally, there has been an upswing in youth consumption in the past decade directly. Cite? According to this[1] paper, there was a decline in underage alcohol consumption between 1991 and 2013, but that doesn't quite contradict what you said. [1] https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/surveillance101/Underage13.htm https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/surveillance101/Unde...

ianai 9y ago

It’s not just alcohol. Diets heavy on fat and cholesterol seem to only get more popular year after year.

maroonblazer 9y ago
Unless there's been some very recent findings that I missed, everything I've been reading for the last several years has found that fat and cholesterol are not the problems we once thought they were.
- devmunchies 9y ago
  > everything I've been reading Sounds like you only prefer to read stuff that is pro-Keto. Saturated fat and cholesterol are the cause of many western diseases. Cholesterol-deniers are setting people up to get fatty streaks in their artieries. A low fat/cholesterol diet (especially plant based) is the only one that has been proven to reverse heart disease and type 2 diabetes. Many diets are good for losing weight, but that doesn't make them healthy.
  - maroonblazer 9y ago
    > Sounds like you only prefer to read stuff that is pro-Keto. Sounds like you need to check your assumptions as you have no way of knowing what I prefer to read. Others have already provided studies to refute your claim, but here's one more: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20071648 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20071648
    - ianai 9y ago
      From what I’ve learned, diet is both highly individualistic and best based on whole foods. Highly processed and refined foods confuse the statistics. It’s also a highly “incentivized” industry. There’s a lot of misinformation or noise out there, as evidenced in the above.
    - devmunchies 9y ago
      > Sounds like you need to check your assumptions as you have no way of knowing what I prefer to read You said yourself that EVERYTHING you've read in the last couple years has been pro-fat and cholesterol. Am I wrong in assuming that you prefer to read such things?
      - sli 9y ago
        They did not use the phrase "pro-fat and cholesterol." That implies something entirely different than their actual wording, "not the problems we once thought they were."
elsewhen 9y ago
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/abstract http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-67...
- ianai 9y ago
  Undoubtedly, there are plenty of bad carbohydrates in the world.
- jonathansizz 9y ago
  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2530902 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...
  - elsewhen 9y ago
    I'm not disputing the findings, but take a look at the "conflict of interest" section of the link you provided.

woopwoop 9y ago

>Additionally, there has been an upswing in youth consumption in the past decade directly. Cite? According to this[1] paper, there was a decline in underage alcohol consumption between 1991 and 2013, but that doesn't quite contradict what you said. [1] https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/surveillance101/Underage13.htm https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/surveillance101/Unde...