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I posted the clip because it's a lighthearted argument about the reasons we're pursuing environmentalism. I think a lot of current hysteria it is driven by pe

I posted the clip because it's a lighthearted argument about the reasons we're pursuing environmentalism. I think a lot of current hysteria it is driven by petroleum politics and geopolitics. Otherwise, both parties in US government would have been pro-environmentalism. Try to think of why someone might have a different position given that they understand the science. Finally, regarding humans surviving. What is the ultimate number of humans that should exist on earth? How much environmental damage or "change" is allowed to sustain these humans or for "progress" to occur? How many children should humans be allowed to have? Who gets to decide these things? Should humans be allowed to develop new industries at the expense of the environment? Some people think that it's best to live in tribes and forego all technology. Some are content living with current tech advancement and keeping population at about what it is now. Others think humans should spread to as many planets as possible.

Retra 9y ago
If you're not going to say anything, you could use fewer words to do so.
- throwaway9990 9y ago
  I'm not sure what you mean. My point is we should stop worrying about the "environment", because what we really mean is for our great grandchildren to have the same environment as us. I'm not sure if I'll have children. If I do, I'm not sure whether I'd want them to live in the same environment. I'm perfectly content living in a city where there are no animals for example. Ultimately, if some other people on another continent decide to reproduce like crazy, it would kill all our current efforts with environment preservation and we won't be able to do anything about it. So not only is it likely that it's impossible to stop these changes, but I wouldn't care if we stop them at all. To me it seems that the only reason anyone can possibly care about these things is geopolitics.

Retra 9y ago

If you're not going to say anything, you could use fewer words to do so.

throwaway9990 9y ago
I'm not sure what you mean. My point is we should stop worrying about the "environment", because what we really mean is for our great grandchildren to have the same environment as us. I'm not sure if I'll have children. If I do, I'm not sure whether I'd want them to live in the same environment. I'm perfectly content living in a city where there are no animals for example. Ultimately, if some other people on another continent decide to reproduce like crazy, it would kill all our current efforts with environment preservation and we won't be able to do anything about it. So not only is it likely that it's impossible to stop these changes, but I wouldn't care if we stop them at all. To me it seems that the only reason anyone can possibly care about these things is geopolitics.