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I can vouch for the antidepressant properties of psilocybin, as well as it's nearly miraculous efficacy at stopping cluster headaches. If any of you are unawar

by TipVFL 9y ago

I can vouch for the antidepressant properties of psilocybin, as well as it's nearly miraculous efficacy at stopping cluster headaches. If any of you are unaware of cluster headaches, they are also called suicide headaches, because the pain is so great that many people just kill themselves. The pain level has few peers, it's been compared to amputation without anaesthetic. For me, the bulk of the sensation is of one of my eyes being crushed while a hot poker is run through it. The cluster part comes from the fact that they occur in clusters that can last weeks, months, or years. It is debilitating to know that at any moment you could suddenly, and with very little warning, start experiencing the worst pain of your life. I had panic attacks at the first hint of symptoms. During my last cluster I took mushrooms, and it completely eradicated them. The literature I read said it could stop them for a year, but it's been almost 4 years now and I'm still clear of them. I'd prefer to dose again for peace of mind, but mushrooms are illegal and hard to find. It was also very nice for my depression, I had an elevated mood for several months. I wish it was legal, it scares me a lot less than the actual antidepressant medications, and it's the only effective treatment for preventing cluster headaches.

herbst 9y ago
You can naturally find them in nearly any climate. Maybe worth a try
- xpaulbettsx 9y ago
  You can also order the extremely similar yet legal chemical, 4-AcO-DMT
  - herbst 9y ago
    Illegal in most of europe (we banned analogs years ago when the legal drug thing boomed). I am generally not the biggest fan of psychodelic analogs, have had bad experience with some of them. There is a reason real shrooms, acid and DMT are still the king of the scene :) [not entirely true for LSD, as 1P-LSD and AL-LAD are virtually the same as LSD-25]
krylon 9y ago
After the first time I took LSD, I, too, noticed an elevated mood for several weeks afterwards. I was not depressed at the time - I might have been a little down - but my mood was better - things that used to annoy me now annoyed me much less, while things that used to make me happy made me even happier. Since LSD and Psilocybin are so similar in their effects, I would not be surprised if the mechanism turns out to be the same. Now that I think if of it, I remember a mushroom experience when I was maybe 19 or 20 years old, and, at the time, quite unhappy about my life, quite likely even depressed. I did mushrooms with a friend whose parents were on vacation. The trip itself was very depressing. But when I woke up the next morning, I was happier than I had been in months, and that, too, lasted several weeks.
- theronic 9y ago
  The problem with acid is that you believe everything you think, so be careful what you think :) Aside from LSD's longer duration[^1] and increased potency[^2] acid also has a dopaminergic action, whereas psilocin[^3] is primarily a serotonergic drug. It is the dopaminergic action that can result in the obsessive quality or "looping" experience of LSD trips. When you eat magic mushrooms, you are essentially taking yourself for an existential ride by voluntarily staring into the abyss. The trip itself is primarily "weird" and euphoric, but IME, what many people refer to as a "rough trip" is actually the existential rebound that begins 1.5-2 hours in. During this serotonin recoil, you can face the heart of darkness: the realization of all potential simultaneous chaos and creativity. This state can include a ton of beauty, but also a reminder of your own inevitable demise. This visitation to a more "eternal" mode of thought has the same effect as surviving a face-off with any dangerous unknown: radical personal transformation. Self-knowledge necessarily feeds back into your world-view, thus changing you (usually for the better, but not always). Nowadays, when I embark on a shroom trip, I do so in the knowledge that I will have to stare into the abyss. Sometimes you have to chew glass while doing so, e.g. a friend enters a psychotic state, or somebody dies and you have to be useful. Nevertheless, you become vulnerable and have the opportunity to learn something, help someone, or be helped and form new relationships. Advice for brave mushroom eaters: - be well-rested, preferably in nature - don't trip alone, but keep it under 6 people - have music, or an instrument nearby - don't eat more than you can handle (0.7g is potent. 2.4g is effective. 4g is high. 10g is godlike and dangerous) [^1]: LSD duration is 8-12 hours. Anything less than 8h is not LSD. [^2]: psychoactive LSD dose is 25µg and up, hence LSD-25. [^3]: the primary psychoactive metabolite of psilocybin
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Alex3917 9y ago
> it's nearly miraculous efficacy at stopping cluster headaches. Relevant talk from Horizons: https://vimeo.com/10918637 https://vimeo.com/10918637
- pgt 9y ago
  Great talk. Thank you, @Alex3917. It is incredible to see the pain these individuals go through (sometimes for an hour every two hours - 12 times a day). It is even more impressing how resilient some humans are and the pain they can endure.
onewhonknocks 9y ago
The spores are legal in all but 3 states. It's VERY easy to order a grow kit, some spores, and you are in business. YouTube search 'Willy Myco'
Fnoord 9y ago
Are you sure growkits are illegal? Truffles? Although nowadays I am rather conservative regarding recreative use of entheogenics Azarius ships their growkits seemingly to entire Europe [1]. Anecdata: it is fairly easy to grow champignons and psilos. The kits I used were complete with straightforward guides. I wrote "psilos" because there is also A. Muscaria, though it has less severe effects care must be taken when plucking food in the wild (and I am unsure if they'd be an option for your specific use case). There are some great guides out there allowing you to distinct species but as Sean Penn's Into The Wild [2] shows one mistake can be fatal. There's a Dutch community on FB about plucking mushrooms in the wild, but its focusing on its culinary usage. As I said, there's also some guides (in the form of books) available. BTW, do you know if and why psilocybin works (better) than LSD for your use case? [1] https://azarius.net/smartshop/magic-mushrooms/grow-kits/ https://azarius.net/smartshop/magic-mushrooms/grow-kits/ (Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated, used to be a customer back in the '00s) [2] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758758/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758758/
- TipVFL 9y ago
  On the legal front I'm less concerned about punishment than I am about convenience. I don't really care to get into growing mushrooms just to have one dose every year or two, just wish I could easily purchase them ready to go. I actually don't know if psilocybin works better. I was unclear when I said it was the only effective treatment, I just meant psychedelics in general. I actually prefer LSD, but at the time I could only get mushrooms. According to everything I've read they seem pretty equal for cluster headache treatment. Oh, and "Into the Wild" definitely made me wary of attempting to identify wild plants to eat.
agumonkey 9y ago
very happy you managed to avoid these experiences I wonder if you could put yourself into high morphine diet until the pain goes away but right now I'm just very happy you found a trick

by TipVFL 9y ago

herbst 9y ago

You can naturally find them in nearly any climate. Maybe worth a try

xpaulbettsx 9y ago
You can also order the extremely similar yet legal chemical, 4-AcO-DMT
- herbst 9y ago
  Illegal in most of europe (we banned analogs years ago when the legal drug thing boomed). I am generally not the biggest fan of psychodelic analogs, have had bad experience with some of them. There is a reason real shrooms, acid and DMT are still the king of the scene :) [not entirely true for LSD, as 1P-LSD and AL-LAD are virtually the same as LSD-25]

krylon 9y ago

After the first time I took LSD, I, too, noticed an elevated mood for several weeks afterwards. I was not depressed at the time - I might have been a little down - but my mood was better - things that used to annoy me now annoyed me much less, while things that used to make me happy made me even happier. Since LSD and Psilocybin are so similar in their effects, I would not be surprised if the mechanism turns out to be the same. Now that I think if of it, I remember a mushroom experience when I was maybe 19 or 20 years old, and, at the time, quite unhappy about my life, quite likely even depressed. I did mushrooms with a friend whose parents were on vacation. The trip itself was very depressing. But when I woke up the next morning, I was happier than I had been in months, and that, too, lasted several weeks.

theronic 9y ago
The problem with acid is that you believe everything you think, so be careful what you think :) Aside from LSD's longer duration[^1] and increased potency[^2] acid also has a dopaminergic action, whereas psilocin[^3] is primarily a serotonergic drug. It is the dopaminergic action that can result in the obsessive quality or "looping" experience of LSD trips. When you eat magic mushrooms, you are essentially taking yourself for an existential ride by voluntarily staring into the abyss. The trip itself is primarily "weird" and euphoric, but IME, what many people refer to as a "rough trip" is actually the existential rebound that begins 1.5-2 hours in. During this serotonin recoil, you can face the heart of darkness: the realization of all potential simultaneous chaos and creativity. This state can include a ton of beauty, but also a reminder of your own inevitable demise. This visitation to a more "eternal" mode of thought has the same effect as surviving a face-off with any dangerous unknown: radical personal transformation. Self-knowledge necessarily feeds back into your world-view, thus changing you (usually for the better, but not always). Nowadays, when I embark on a shroom trip, I do so in the knowledge that I will have to stare into the abyss. Sometimes you have to chew glass while doing so, e.g. a friend enters a psychotic state, or somebody dies and you have to be useful. Nevertheless, you become vulnerable and have the opportunity to learn something, help someone, or be helped and form new relationships. Advice for brave mushroom eaters: - be well-rested, preferably in nature - don't trip alone, but keep it under 6 people - have music, or an instrument nearby - don't eat more than you can handle (0.7g is potent. 2.4g is effective. 4g is high. 10g is godlike and dangerous) [^1]: LSD duration is 8-12 hours. Anything less than 8h is not LSD. [^2]: psychoactive LSD dose is 25µg and up, hence LSD-25. [^3]: the primary psychoactive metabolite of psilocybin

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Alex3917 9y ago

> it's nearly miraculous efficacy at stopping cluster headaches. Relevant talk from Horizons: https://vimeo.com/10918637 https://vimeo.com/10918637

pgt 9y ago
Great talk. Thank you, @Alex3917. It is incredible to see the pain these individuals go through (sometimes for an hour every two hours - 12 times a day). It is even more impressing how resilient some humans are and the pain they can endure.

onewhonknocks 9y ago

The spores are legal in all but 3 states. It's VERY easy to order a grow kit, some spores, and you are in business. YouTube search 'Willy Myco'

Fnoord 9y ago

Are you sure growkits are illegal? Truffles? Although nowadays I am rather conservative regarding recreative use of entheogenics Azarius ships their growkits seemingly to entire Europe [1]. Anecdata: it is fairly easy to grow champignons and psilos. The kits I used were complete with straightforward guides. I wrote "psilos" because there is also A. Muscaria, though it has less severe effects care must be taken when plucking food in the wild (and I am unsure if they'd be an option for your specific use case). There are some great guides out there allowing you to distinct species but as Sean Penn's Into The Wild [2] shows one mistake can be fatal. There's a Dutch community on FB about plucking mushrooms in the wild, but its focusing on its culinary usage. As I said, there's also some guides (in the form of books) available. BTW, do you know if and why psilocybin works (better) than LSD for your use case? [1] https://azarius.net/smartshop/magic-mushrooms/grow-kits/ https://azarius.net/smartshop/magic-mushrooms/grow-kits/ (Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated, used to be a customer back in the '00s) [2] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758758/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758758/

TipVFL 9y ago
On the legal front I'm less concerned about punishment than I am about convenience. I don't really care to get into growing mushrooms just to have one dose every year or two, just wish I could easily purchase them ready to go. I actually don't know if psilocybin works better. I was unclear when I said it was the only effective treatment, I just meant psychedelics in general. I actually prefer LSD, but at the time I could only get mushrooms. According to everything I've read they seem pretty equal for cluster headache treatment. Oh, and "Into the Wild" definitely made me wary of attempting to identify wild plants to eat.

agumonkey 9y ago

very happy you managed to avoid these experiences I wonder if you could put yourself into high morphine diet until the pain goes away but right now I'm just very happy you found a trick