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Easy there tiger. The record will probably remain broken while women spend huge amounts of time building up education and careers and then have an unfair addit
by bsanderson 9y ago
Easy there tiger.
The record will probably remain broken while women spend huge amounts of time building up education and careers and then have an unfair additional burden of crap to deal with that their male peers don't.
I don't see how it sounds stupid (maybe I'm THAT stupid) to say that men who don't face the results of misogyny in the same way as their female colleagues are generally less inclined to even think it's an issue or to put effort into doing anything about it.
Nothing at all I wrote said "A man did something bad, you're a man, therefore you're responsible".
A more accurate reading would be;
1. Culture is complex and we are all a part of it.
2. Our current culture has some elements of misogyny that unfairly impact women in the workplace.
3. We can all contribute to improving things even if it doesn't affect us directly.
Now, point 3 depends on agreement that there is a problem so not sure if you agree with that or not.
I think the challenge is thinking of the issue as a cultural issue rather than on an isolated individual basis. When thinking about it while limiting the scope to a single individual then you think that person is either good or bad, and most people assume they're not the bad ones, so they get defensive if they think someone is lumping them in with the bad people.
Culture is complex and more nuance is required. It takes an open mind to realize that you may have biases that contribute to the issue, such as the second example on the site, with the elementary school teachers. The original site author, as well as the linked NY times article, do not say all those teachers are terrible misogynists at all because that isn't the point.