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he's responsible for his actions, but the way you word that makes it sound like he's the only person responsible for the morally reprehensible things Uber has d

by mylons 9y ago

he's responsible for his actions, but the way you word that makes it sound like he's the only person responsible for the morally reprehensible things Uber has done, which is not true.

AlexandrB 9y ago
He's was the CEO!!! He oversaw all the morally reprehensible things Uber did and did little to stop it. If he is not responsible, then who is? I'm sorry but CEOs can't have it both ways. If you want to be paid at the (insane) current levels you have to take responsibility for the outcomes of your actions. The only other entity that might have some responsibility is the board for not getting rid of Kalanick sooner.
- ShabbosGoy 9y ago
  > If he is not responsible, then who is? Befehl ist Befehl. "I was only following orders."
  - TheCoelacanth 9y ago
    Are you implying that Hitler wasn't responsible for the Holocaust? The person following the orders certainly shares some of the responsibility, but the person giving the orders bears even more of the responsibility.
Ar-Curunir 9y ago
From what I've heard, Kalanick was a much more hands-on CEO than is typical. He certainly holds a large amount of responsibility for Uber's actions.
stilist 9y ago
Uber has fired enough leadership that clearly he wasn’t the only one. But he was CEO, and he could have removed bad actors. It’s true that each of them is responsible for their own choices, but if he’s a bad actor and allowed or encouraged other bad actors, I think it’s fair for him to share some of their burden.
Helmet 9y ago
What exactly did he or Uber do that is morally reprehensible? To me "morally reprehensible" implies something quite extreme, like, say, genocide, callous violent crime, rape, etc.
- mplewis 9y ago
  They illegally obtained medical records of a rape victim. If that's not morally reprehensible, I don't know where you draw the line.
- atonse 9y ago
  That's a pretty high bar. So then every single thing that pretty much every single monopolist has done is totally fine since, you know, it wasn't genocide? Uber did lots of, if not ethically grey, completely unethical (and unlawful) things. Least of which includes tracking regulators and government inspectors, and also surveillance on their users and celebrities based on the rides they'd take. That's not even counting all the bro culture and sexual harassment that seems to have been rampant. It does come from the top. A lot of those people that were fired, were hired by Kalanick. Nobody's shedding a tear for a jerk like Kalanick, especially not after his multi-billion dollar payout. He'll be just fine. In fact, by any stretch of it, he's being HANDSOMELY rewarded for his behavior. He has simply no reason to change.
  - Helmet 9y ago
    > So then every single thing that pretty much every single monopolist has done is totally fine since, you know, it wasn't genocide? What? I didn't say that it was "fine". I'm just trying to get a handle on the scope here. When I think of things that are morally reprehensible, I think of the things I mentioned in my post. Clearly, I don't think Uber is there, so I disagree with the notion that they acted in a "morally reprehensible" way. Do I think that they behaved unethically, even criminally so? Yes, I think that you can make a strong case for that. Maybe I'm making a semantic argument? If so, I think I'm getting weary of our constant 24/7 media stream of outrage, and for that I apologize since that's neither here nor there...

by mylons 9y ago

he's responsible for his actions, but the way you word that makes it sound like he's the only person responsible for the morally reprehensible things Uber has done, which is not true.

AlexandrB 9y ago

He's was the CEO!!! He oversaw all the morally reprehensible things Uber did and did little to stop it. If he is not responsible, then who is? I'm sorry but CEOs can't have it both ways. If you want to be paid at the (insane) current levels you have to take responsibility for the outcomes of your actions. The only other entity that might have some responsibility is the board for not getting rid of Kalanick sooner.

ShabbosGoy 9y ago
> If he is not responsible, then who is? Befehl ist Befehl. "I was only following orders."
- TheCoelacanth 9y ago
  Are you implying that Hitler wasn't responsible for the Holocaust? The person following the orders certainly shares some of the responsibility, but the person giving the orders bears even more of the responsibility.

Ar-Curunir 9y ago

From what I've heard, Kalanick was a much more hands-on CEO than is typical. He certainly holds a large amount of responsibility for Uber's actions.

stilist 9y ago

Uber has fired enough leadership that clearly he wasn’t the only one. But he was CEO, and he could have removed bad actors. It’s true that each of them is responsible for their own choices, but if he’s a bad actor and allowed or encouraged other bad actors, I think it’s fair for him to share some of their burden.

Helmet 9y ago

What exactly did he or Uber do that is morally reprehensible? To me "morally reprehensible" implies something quite extreme, like, say, genocide, callous violent crime, rape, etc.

mplewis 9y ago
They illegally obtained medical records of a rape victim. If that's not morally reprehensible, I don't know where you draw the line.
atonse 9y ago
That's a pretty high bar. So then every single thing that pretty much every single monopolist has done is totally fine since, you know, it wasn't genocide? Uber did lots of, if not ethically grey, completely unethical (and unlawful) things. Least of which includes tracking regulators and government inspectors, and also surveillance on their users and celebrities based on the rides they'd take. That's not even counting all the bro culture and sexual harassment that seems to have been rampant. It does come from the top. A lot of those people that were fired, were hired by Kalanick. Nobody's shedding a tear for a jerk like Kalanick, especially not after his multi-billion dollar payout. He'll be just fine. In fact, by any stretch of it, he's being HANDSOMELY rewarded for his behavior. He has simply no reason to change.
- Helmet 9y ago
  > So then every single thing that pretty much every single monopolist has done is totally fine since, you know, it wasn't genocide? What? I didn't say that it was "fine". I'm just trying to get a handle on the scope here. When I think of things that are morally reprehensible, I think of the things I mentioned in my post. Clearly, I don't think Uber is there, so I disagree with the notion that they acted in a "morally reprehensible" way. Do I think that they behaved unethically, even criminally so? Yes, I think that you can make a strong case for that. Maybe I'm making a semantic argument? If so, I think I'm getting weary of our constant 24/7 media stream of outrage, and for that I apologize since that's neither here nor there...