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Anyone living in the West who looks down on certain US politicians for their anti-immigrant sentiments but is fine with China's state enforced ethnic nationalis

Anyone living in the West who looks down on certain US politicians for their anti-immigrant sentiments but is fine with China's state enforced ethnic nationalism might want to stop and think deeply as to why. It's essentially impossible for a Westerner to gain anything more than a temporary visa, even if they marry a Chinese citizen.

maxerickson 9y ago
Do you think living in the West...is fine with China's state enforced ethnic nationalism is a big group of people?
- mc32 9y ago
  I'll just point you to the Assange phenomenon. When Assange was an agent (provided a platform) bringing light to the consequences of W's and Obama's wars in the middle east, he was a hero. Then, one day he also became conduit to information which lead to the political death of an anointed successor to the Obama presidency and he became a traitor, a misogynist, an enemy most foul -a Russian agent, in their eyes. So, yeah. Many people like China when it's expedient, and will forgive those little sins. You know balance against hegemony, economic rival, bearers of Mao's torch, the divinity of marginalized peasants who stick it to urban elites, etc.
  - jimnotgym 9y ago
    > Then, one day he also became conduit to information which lead to the political death of an anointed successor to the Obama presidency and he became a traitor, a misogynist, an enemy most foul. I think Assange was painted as a mysogynist in the global press right back in 2010 when details of his extradition request for a suspected rape came out. That was early in the Obama administration. I see your point but I think the chronology is off. Perhaps those people that are closer to Assange and know him better would know if he should have been criticised as a mysogynist even earlier? I think a better way to criticise China is to review the recent release of documents about Tiananmen Square. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-42465516 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-42465516
  - maxerickson 9y ago
    I don't really get your example. There were plenty of people that were critical of Assange well before 2016 and plenty of people that continue to praise him today. So I have trouble with Julian->Large numbers of China apologists, it just isn't very sound logic.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > There were plenty of people that were critical of Assange well before 2016 and plenty of people that continue to praise him today. A lot for the people that continue to praise him today are people that were critical of him before 2016 (and vice versa.)
    - mc32 9y ago
      People who praised him yesterday are not the people praising him today, rather they now denounce him, despite his remaining steadfast and resolute. The opposite is also the case, people denouncing him anti American now see him as an ally. It's to exemplify that people will ignore what you see as incongruent, if it does not align with their motives.
  - AFNobody 9y ago
    That may be the mainstream view but he was considered a Russian tool since 2012 when he started working with RT and had known Russian "friends" working with him at WikiLeaks. I was never a fan of Assange, only the people who took on the personal risk to leak.
baursak 9y ago
> Anyone living in the West who looks down on certain US politicians for their anti-immigrant sentiments but is fine with China's state enforced ethnic nationalism ... is probably not a significant amount of people

maxerickson 9y ago

Do you think living in the West...is fine with China's state enforced ethnic nationalism is a big group of people?

mc32 9y ago
I'll just point you to the Assange phenomenon. When Assange was an agent (provided a platform) bringing light to the consequences of W's and Obama's wars in the middle east, he was a hero. Then, one day he also became conduit to information which lead to the political death of an anointed successor to the Obama presidency and he became a traitor, a misogynist, an enemy most foul -a Russian agent, in their eyes. So, yeah. Many people like China when it's expedient, and will forgive those little sins. You know balance against hegemony, economic rival, bearers of Mao's torch, the divinity of marginalized peasants who stick it to urban elites, etc.
- jimnotgym 9y ago
  > Then, one day he also became conduit to information which lead to the political death of an anointed successor to the Obama presidency and he became a traitor, a misogynist, an enemy most foul. I think Assange was painted as a mysogynist in the global press right back in 2010 when details of his extradition request for a suspected rape came out. That was early in the Obama administration. I see your point but I think the chronology is off. Perhaps those people that are closer to Assange and know him better would know if he should have been criticised as a mysogynist even earlier? I think a better way to criticise China is to review the recent release of documents about Tiananmen Square. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-42465516 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-42465516
- maxerickson 9y ago
  I don't really get your example. There were plenty of people that were critical of Assange well before 2016 and plenty of people that continue to praise him today. So I have trouble with Julian->Large numbers of China apologists, it just isn't very sound logic.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > There were plenty of people that were critical of Assange well before 2016 and plenty of people that continue to praise him today. A lot for the people that continue to praise him today are people that were critical of him before 2016 (and vice versa.)
  - mc32 9y ago
    People who praised him yesterday are not the people praising him today, rather they now denounce him, despite his remaining steadfast and resolute. The opposite is also the case, people denouncing him anti American now see him as an ally. It's to exemplify that people will ignore what you see as incongruent, if it does not align with their motives.
- AFNobody 9y ago
  That may be the mainstream view but he was considered a Russian tool since 2012 when he started working with RT and had known Russian "friends" working with him at WikiLeaks. I was never a fan of Assange, only the people who took on the personal risk to leak.

baursak 9y ago

> Anyone living in the West who looks down on certain US politicians for their anti-immigrant sentiments but is fine with China's state enforced ethnic nationalism ... is probably not a significant amount of people