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> Yes and no. Was it operating in a gray area, yes. Why is it a grey area? I don't think those laws are good but they exist. I don't believe a company's willin

by rifung 9y ago

> Yes and no. Was it operating in a gray area, yes. Why is it a grey area? I don't think those laws are good but they exist. I don't believe a company's willingness to ignore laws should give them a competitive advantage because that just creates an incentive to do so. Also, companies should not be in the business of deciding what laws are okay or not okay to disobey. > As a frequent Uber/Lyft/Taxi user in NYC I can say that the experience for the consumer has been fantastic. I like Lyft a lot, but I don't believe the end justifies the means. The proper way to do this would have been to change the laws first and then make the business second.

Roybot 9y ago
> proper way to do this would have been to change the laws first and then make the business second. Unfortunately, businesses tend to heavily influence the creation of the laws that give them an unfair advantage. Businesses get started, they get big, and then use their money to buy lobbying power. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was true in the taxi industry. I don’t care for laws which exist to favor industry leaders.
TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
> companies should not be in the business of deciding what laws are okay or not okay to disobey. Why not? We do this everyday as individuals. A company a coherent group of people acting collectively. Laws are a high-latency side chain of authority, not the Word Of God.
- rifung 9y ago
  > Why not? We do this everyday as individuals. A company a coherent group of people acting collectively. Because companies are concerned with profits. Even individuals should not be skirting laws for the sake of profit as that would be immoral.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
    What about a scenario where a company decides a law about censorship or a gagging order is not okay? I think there's usually a lot of gray areas with regard to morality.
raiyu 9y ago
That's what I'm referring to, if the laws exist but there isn't a specific common good that they are addressing that the new entrant is destroying or hurting, then the laws should be adapted over time. Certainly they could have went the direct route to get the law changed, but as time has shown having power and then getting changes is usually a simpler process. So they are operating in a gray area but not hurting the common good, so adapting the laws would make sense. Not the same as producing something toxic as a by product of your product and then releasing that into the environment.

by rifung 9y ago

Roybot 9y ago

> proper way to do this would have been to change the laws first and then make the business second. Unfortunately, businesses tend to heavily influence the creation of the laws that give them an unfair advantage. Businesses get started, they get big, and then use their money to buy lobbying power. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was true in the taxi industry. I don’t care for laws which exist to favor industry leaders.

TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago

> companies should not be in the business of deciding what laws are okay or not okay to disobey. Why not? We do this everyday as individuals. A company a coherent group of people acting collectively. Laws are a high-latency side chain of authority, not the Word Of God.

rifung 9y ago
> Why not? We do this everyday as individuals. A company a coherent group of people acting collectively. Because companies are concerned with profits. Even individuals should not be skirting laws for the sake of profit as that would be immoral.
- TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
  What about a scenario where a company decides a law about censorship or a gagging order is not okay? I think there's usually a lot of gray areas with regard to morality.

raiyu 9y ago

That's what I'm referring to, if the laws exist but there isn't a specific common good that they are addressing that the new entrant is destroying or hurting, then the laws should be adapted over time. Certainly they could have went the direct route to get the law changed, but as time has shown having power and then getting changes is usually a simpler process. So they are operating in a gray area but not hurting the common good, so adapting the laws would make sense. Not the same as producing something toxic as a by product of your product and then releasing that into the environment.