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To add to this "punching nazis" insanity: If you start ignoring the rule of law and advocating violence then the "other side" is going to feel morally justifie

To add to this "punching nazis" insanity: If you start ignoring the rule of law and advocating violence then the "other side" is going to feel morally justified to escalate. And guess what? The "other side" thinks abortion is murdering babies. I don't think that is a path we want society to go down.

Larrikin 9y ago
Punching a nazi is arguably self-defense for most people on the planet.
- rhino369 9y ago
  Maybe in 1945. A nazi poses no threat, imminent or otherwise, if they are just spouting bullshit on a street.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > A nazi poses no threat, imminent or otherwise, if they are just spouting bullshit on a street. “No threat” is overstated, but certainly not the kind of imminent threat that justifies a violent response. Conversely, political violence by non-Nazis, historically, is a major factor in politically enabling Nazis.
  - Larrikin 9y ago
    A nazi posed no threat when they were being accepted in Germany, until suddenly they had enough power to start killing people with no consequence. Anyone who is currently a Nazi, KKK member, etc knows that is the inevitable conclusion to following their ideas down the rabbit hole and will be complacent if they ever think they can get away with it. The murderer in Charlottesville spent the day being hyped up before plowing his car into dozens of people.
    - sheepmullet 9y ago
      I take it you are a big fan of mccarthyism?
    - sheepmullet 9y ago
      > A nazi posed no threat when they were being accepted in Germany, until suddenly That is not historically accurate at all. The nazis rose to a measure of acceptance in Germany in large part because of political violence on the left.
      - ionised 9y ago
        > The nazis rose to a measure of acceptance in Germany in large part because of political violence on the left. Yeah, that's just not correct.
      - dragonwriter 9y ago
        > The nazis rose to a measure of acceptance in Germany in large part because of political violence on the left. That’s inaccurate. It's true that a background level of political violence across the spectrum that started prior to the Nazis even existing was a factor in both the development of Nazi ideology and methods and in why a solid anti-Nazi coalition was unable to form (and perhaps also a factor in why the ban on the Nazis based in part on their political violence was unable to be maintained politically), but this wasn't uniquely a characteristic of the left.
    - rhino369 9y ago
      Nazism is discredited. There is essentially no chance that Nazism will take over America. There is a chance, may a certainty that some of these Nazis will hurt people. But people of all political strips do that. You'd have to punch environmentalists because of eco-terrorists, etc. Attacking people because their ideas are dangerous is a mockery of free speech. Even if you don't care about freedom of speech, escalating violence is still a stupid choice. The Nazis will punch back harder, as they've already done. Violence begets violence.

Larrikin 9y ago

Punching a nazi is arguably self-defense for most people on the planet.

rhino369 9y ago
Maybe in 1945. A nazi poses no threat, imminent or otherwise, if they are just spouting bullshit on a street.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > A nazi poses no threat, imminent or otherwise, if they are just spouting bullshit on a street. “No threat” is overstated, but certainly not the kind of imminent threat that justifies a violent response. Conversely, political violence by non-Nazis, historically, is a major factor in politically enabling Nazis.
- Larrikin 9y ago
  A nazi posed no threat when they were being accepted in Germany, until suddenly they had enough power to start killing people with no consequence. Anyone who is currently a Nazi, KKK member, etc knows that is the inevitable conclusion to following their ideas down the rabbit hole and will be complacent if they ever think they can get away with it. The murderer in Charlottesville spent the day being hyped up before plowing his car into dozens of people.
  - sheepmullet 9y ago
    I take it you are a big fan of mccarthyism?
  - sheepmullet 9y ago
    > A nazi posed no threat when they were being accepted in Germany, until suddenly That is not historically accurate at all. The nazis rose to a measure of acceptance in Germany in large part because of political violence on the left.
    - ionised 9y ago
      > The nazis rose to a measure of acceptance in Germany in large part because of political violence on the left. Yeah, that's just not correct.
    - dragonwriter 9y ago
      > The nazis rose to a measure of acceptance in Germany in large part because of political violence on the left. That’s inaccurate. It's true that a background level of political violence across the spectrum that started prior to the Nazis even existing was a factor in both the development of Nazi ideology and methods and in why a solid anti-Nazi coalition was unable to form (and perhaps also a factor in why the ban on the Nazis based in part on their political violence was unable to be maintained politically), but this wasn't uniquely a characteristic of the left.
  - rhino369 9y ago
    Nazism is discredited. There is essentially no chance that Nazism will take over America. There is a chance, may a certainty that some of these Nazis will hurt people. But people of all political strips do that. You'd have to punch environmentalists because of eco-terrorists, etc. Attacking people because their ideas are dangerous is a mockery of free speech. Even if you don't care about freedom of speech, escalating violence is still a stupid choice. The Nazis will punch back harder, as they've already done. Violence begets violence.