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Exactly this. People sit comfortably in their morals while enjoy the huge benefits brought about by Uber. Things are comfortable because people like Travis were

by volgo 9y ago

Exactly this. People sit comfortably in their morals while enjoy the huge benefits brought about by Uber. Things are comfortable because people like Travis were willing to take the blame on the wrong side of history and forge ahead anyways. We all sit comfortably in the Bay Area because our ancestors murdered and stole lands from Native Americans. They also build an entire ecosystem that gained wealth from exploiting laborers and immigrants. History is messy, but they did these things so their children can sit around in comfortable homes enjoying these highly philosophical debates without any physical danger

forapurpose 9y ago
I've heard people justify war crimes this craven way, saying the survival of their nation was at stake, and those people usually and rightfully go to jail. I've never heard fraudulent business practices that someone cashed in on justified this way.
- LarryDarrell 9y ago
  Capitalism blood-lust.
- volgo 9y ago
  > those people usually and rightfully go to jail Exactly my point. They got punished for it, but their children lived to enjoy the fruits of their labor, without any blame or punishment.
santoriv 9y ago
Wait what? Murdering people and stealing land turned out great for the murderer's ancestors so it's all ok? Not from the point of view of those who were murdered. Using that logic - if space aliens came and murdered all the technologically inferior humans and took Earth for themselves, it would be all ok. After all, they are building a more technologically advanced and superior society on Earth for their children.
- volgo 9y ago
  I didn't say it's ok, that was exactly the opposite of my point. I'm saying they did something NOT OK, and their children get to enjoy all the fruits of their immorality without any of the blames.
bogomipz 9y ago
>"Things are comfortable because people like Travis were willing to take the blame on the wrong side of history and forge ahead anyways." Wait what? What did he take the blame for exactly? Were the sexist comment making, the berating of his own Uber driver, or Greyball things that were necessary for ride sharing to become successful? I think most people are quite capable of being able to separate ride sharing the technology from a ride sharing technology company's CEO. Ill feelings for the latter do not imply ill feelings for the former. >"We all sit comfortably in the Bay Area because our ancestors murdered and stole lands from Native Americans." "We all?" Wow. You live in quite a bubble if you really believe that everyone who reads HN lives in the Bay Area or is an American. Or has ancestors that killed native Americans. What an incredibly outrageous statement and comparison. Speak for yourself.
- volgo 9y ago
  > Or has ancestors that killed native Americans It doesn't matter if your ancestors were Americans. The prosperity and safety of the Bay Area, which you enjoy, was made possible by people who murdered and stole land. You enjoy that privilege everyday without taking any of the blame. The fact that you're outraged speaks to your privilege because you've no understanding of what a bloody mess history is, and the amount of indencency it took to get the U.S. to the prosperous nation it is today.

by volgo 9y ago

forapurpose 9y ago

I've heard people justify war crimes this craven way, saying the survival of their nation was at stake, and those people usually and rightfully go to jail. I've never heard fraudulent business practices that someone cashed in on justified this way.

LarryDarrell 9y ago
Capitalism blood-lust.
volgo 9y ago
> those people usually and rightfully go to jail Exactly my point. They got punished for it, but their children lived to enjoy the fruits of their labor, without any blame or punishment.

santoriv 9y ago

Wait what? Murdering people and stealing land turned out great for the murderer's ancestors so it's all ok? Not from the point of view of those who were murdered. Using that logic - if space aliens came and murdered all the technologically inferior humans and took Earth for themselves, it would be all ok. After all, they are building a more technologically advanced and superior society on Earth for their children.

volgo 9y ago
I didn't say it's ok, that was exactly the opposite of my point. I'm saying they did something NOT OK, and their children get to enjoy all the fruits of their immorality without any of the blames.

bogomipz 9y ago

>"Things are comfortable because people like Travis were willing to take the blame on the wrong side of history and forge ahead anyways." Wait what? What did he take the blame for exactly? Were the sexist comment making, the berating of his own Uber driver, or Greyball things that were necessary for ride sharing to become successful? I think most people are quite capable of being able to separate ride sharing the technology from a ride sharing technology company's CEO. Ill feelings for the latter do not imply ill feelings for the former. >"We all sit comfortably in the Bay Area because our ancestors murdered and stole lands from Native Americans." "We all?" Wow. You live in quite a bubble if you really believe that everyone who reads HN lives in the Bay Area or is an American. Or has ancestors that killed native Americans. What an incredibly outrageous statement and comparison. Speak for yourself.

volgo 9y ago
> Or has ancestors that killed native Americans It doesn't matter if your ancestors were Americans. The prosperity and safety of the Bay Area, which you enjoy, was made possible by people who murdered and stole land. You enjoy that privilege everyday without taking any of the blame. The fact that you're outraged speaks to your privilege because you've no understanding of what a bloody mess history is, and the amount of indencency it took to get the U.S. to the prosperous nation it is today.