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> I bet most people would have pinned him as the next Jobs And they would have been absolutely correct. Exactly what happened to Steve Jobs.

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adjkant 9y ago
Far too early to say "correct". Starting a company that burns cash faster than anyone and cashing out is not at the same level of Steve Jobs.
- cocktailpeanuts 9y ago
  Do you know why Steve Jobs was kicked out of Apple?
  - adjkant 9y ago
    The reason doesn't change the fact that it's too early to say that Kalanick is the next Jobs. His current and past actions can resemble Steve Jobs and Apple, but that says nothing about how the future will occur for Kalanick and Uber. Given the state of Uber with the Waymo lawsuit, their moonshot long-term investment I'm guessing you're referencing, I think things are very different between the two futures.
  - jachee 9y ago
    It wasn't allegations of sexual harassment and/or legally-questionable business practices.
    - cocktailpeanuts 9y ago
      > It wasn't allegations of sexual harassment The "sexual harassment" claim was for an employee (or employees), it wasn't him who sexually harassed someone. There is sexual harassment everywhere. Probably at your company too, it's just that people wanted to see Uber fail, and that's why he's become the sacred cow. I'm not saying he did a great job dealing with these issues. I'm saying a lot of the things Uber was accused of was something that EVERY other company does. You just aren't aware of it. And in this particular case, this was used as a weapon to bring down Uber. The narrative you're following is really just a result of politics and media manipulation by some parties which benefited from this result.
      - adjkant 9y ago
        > it's just that people wanted to see Uber fail, and that's why he's become the sacred cow. The sexual harassment did not come out because people wanted to see Uber fail. People want Uber to fail because it came out, and the extent of it. Extent is a very important factor. This was not "a person was sexually harassed once at a company", which does indeed happen at many places. This was a larger pattern and intrinsic problem. You're downplaying that by insinuating that all of this is because there was a target on Uber's back. There are good reasons people want to see them fail. > I'm saying a lot of the things Uber was accused of was something that EVERY other company does. You just aren't aware of it. Um, no. There are some more common than others, sure, but few companies were as bad as Uber was. Every company does not steal IP from other companies. Every company does not create software to evade law enforcement. Every company does not pay hackers to delete data. Every company does not hire psychologists in an attempt to manipulate drivers. The list goes on. You can argue that Kalanick deserves credit for his idea and perhaps even the overall effects in a utilitarian argument, but sweeping under the rug the bad reveals your bias very quickly. All of your posts on this thread are basically trying to defend him directly or indirectly while adding in a clause basically saying "well he wasn't perfect". Let's not erase the bad because he may have done something good, just as we shouldn't erase the good.
        cocktailpeanuts 9y ago
        If you think Uber is uniquely evil, you are too naive my friend. Again, i'm not trying to say Uber was ethical, so don't try to tell me I'm some Uber fanboy. I'm just pointing out among all evil corporations Uber was the one to fall and there are plenty of disgusting reasons behind it which most people who criticize Uber have no idea of. And I'm talking about this point. The world thinks they've won because they've punished Uber, but what they've done is just play into hidden politics that made some shady people behind the scenes more money.
        adjkant 9y ago
        Actually, the world is all run by 3 dogs making decisions in Japan. Trust me, Uber is just their pawn. Nothing else matters, every other ethical fault is meaningless. You're going to have to actually provide some examples and/or evidence before I believe most companies do all of this regularly. I'd argue most terrible ethical actions of companies are out in the open and more socially accepted. > "The world thinks they've won because they've punished Uber, but what they've done is just play into hidden politics that made some shady people behind the scenes more money." This is one small thing, but I'll take it over nothing. I'm not blind to the larger power struggle of the world all mostly hidden from view. But, if this didn't happen, a different group of shady people wins on the other side of the hidden politics. Last I checked there aren't big differences in the shady hidden political system's parties.
  - exogeny 9y ago
    Was it because Steve Jobs tried to discredit a rape victim to protect his company's image and his personal holdings? I must have missed that part when I saw "Jobs" in the theater.
  - throwaway-hn123 9y ago
    Why don't you tell us?
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forapurpose 9y ago
> Exactly what happened to Steve Jobs. Jobs wasn't fired for serially violating the law, risking his company's survival, damaging its reputation (EDIT: and mistreating everyone from female employees to rape victims).
- wand3r 9y ago
  thats pretty much what he was fired for. Mistreating employees, damaging the company, it's reputation and he was caught later in his career in the wage setting scandal. So yeah, they are pretty similar. Not sure I have heard anything about TK going after rape victims specifically, thats a new one for me.
  - forapurpose 9y ago
    Only the words are similar, but the facts were not: Uber had a culture of sexual harassment, which is illegal; Jobs was a jerk to employees. Uber willfully violated many laws in many jurisdictions, as a policy and strategy, and even wrote and deployed software to obstruct justice; executives resigned rather than be associated with the illegality. Apple/Jobs violated the law once, colluding to not hire employees of certain competitors. These aren't really comparable.

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adjkant 9y ago

Far too early to say "correct". Starting a company that burns cash faster than anyone and cashing out is not at the same level of Steve Jobs.

cocktailpeanuts 9y ago
Do you know why Steve Jobs was kicked out of Apple?
- adjkant 9y ago
  The reason doesn't change the fact that it's too early to say that Kalanick is the next Jobs. His current and past actions can resemble Steve Jobs and Apple, but that says nothing about how the future will occur for Kalanick and Uber. Given the state of Uber with the Waymo lawsuit, their moonshot long-term investment I'm guessing you're referencing, I think things are very different between the two futures.
- jachee 9y ago
  It wasn't allegations of sexual harassment and/or legally-questionable business practices.
  - cocktailpeanuts 9y ago
    > It wasn't allegations of sexual harassment The "sexual harassment" claim was for an employee (or employees), it wasn't him who sexually harassed someone. There is sexual harassment everywhere. Probably at your company too, it's just that people wanted to see Uber fail, and that's why he's become the sacred cow. I'm not saying he did a great job dealing with these issues. I'm saying a lot of the things Uber was accused of was something that EVERY other company does. You just aren't aware of it. And in this particular case, this was used as a weapon to bring down Uber. The narrative you're following is really just a result of politics and media manipulation by some parties which benefited from this result.
    - adjkant 9y ago
      > it's just that people wanted to see Uber fail, and that's why he's become the sacred cow. The sexual harassment did not come out because people wanted to see Uber fail. People want Uber to fail because it came out, and the extent of it. Extent is a very important factor. This was not "a person was sexually harassed once at a company", which does indeed happen at many places. This was a larger pattern and intrinsic problem. You're downplaying that by insinuating that all of this is because there was a target on Uber's back. There are good reasons people want to see them fail. > I'm saying a lot of the things Uber was accused of was something that EVERY other company does. You just aren't aware of it. Um, no. There are some more common than others, sure, but few companies were as bad as Uber was. Every company does not steal IP from other companies. Every company does not create software to evade law enforcement. Every company does not pay hackers to delete data. Every company does not hire psychologists in an attempt to manipulate drivers. The list goes on. You can argue that Kalanick deserves credit for his idea and perhaps even the overall effects in a utilitarian argument, but sweeping under the rug the bad reveals your bias very quickly. All of your posts on this thread are basically trying to defend him directly or indirectly while adding in a clause basically saying "well he wasn't perfect". Let's not erase the bad because he may have done something good, just as we shouldn't erase the good.
      - cocktailpeanuts 9y ago
        If you think Uber is uniquely evil, you are too naive my friend. Again, i'm not trying to say Uber was ethical, so don't try to tell me I'm some Uber fanboy. I'm just pointing out among all evil corporations Uber was the one to fall and there are plenty of disgusting reasons behind it which most people who criticize Uber have no idea of. And I'm talking about this point. The world thinks they've won because they've punished Uber, but what they've done is just play into hidden politics that made some shady people behind the scenes more money.
        adjkant 9y ago
        Actually, the world is all run by 3 dogs making decisions in Japan. Trust me, Uber is just their pawn. Nothing else matters, every other ethical fault is meaningless. You're going to have to actually provide some examples and/or evidence before I believe most companies do all of this regularly. I'd argue most terrible ethical actions of companies are out in the open and more socially accepted. > "The world thinks they've won because they've punished Uber, but what they've done is just play into hidden politics that made some shady people behind the scenes more money." This is one small thing, but I'll take it over nothing. I'm not blind to the larger power struggle of the world all mostly hidden from view. But, if this didn't happen, a different group of shady people wins on the other side of the hidden politics. Last I checked there aren't big differences in the shady hidden political system's parties.
- exogeny 9y ago
  Was it because Steve Jobs tried to discredit a rape victim to protect his company's image and his personal holdings? I must have missed that part when I saw "Jobs" in the theater.
- throwaway-hn123 9y ago
  Why don't you tell us?
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forapurpose 9y ago

> Exactly what happened to Steve Jobs. Jobs wasn't fired for serially violating the law, risking his company's survival, damaging its reputation (EDIT: and mistreating everyone from female employees to rape victims).

wand3r 9y ago
thats pretty much what he was fired for. Mistreating employees, damaging the company, it's reputation and he was caught later in his career in the wage setting scandal. So yeah, they are pretty similar. Not sure I have heard anything about TK going after rape victims specifically, thats a new one for me.
- forapurpose 9y ago
  Only the words are similar, but the facts were not: Uber had a culture of sexual harassment, which is illegal; Jobs was a jerk to employees. Uber willfully violated many laws in many jurisdictions, as a policy and strategy, and even wrote and deployed software to obstruct justice; executives resigned rather than be associated with the illegality. Apple/Jobs violated the law once, colluding to not hire employees of certain competitors. These aren't really comparable.