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This video of the ending of Star Wars without John Williams' music got a copyright claim from the rightsholder to Williams' score [edited from original post, no

This video of the ending of Star Wars without John Williams' music got a copyright claim from the rightsholder to Williams' score [edited from original post, not actually claimed by Williams himself]. The little bit of music at the beginning is from Gustav Holst and is public domain. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-GZJhfBmI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-GZJhfBmI edit for more context: https://www.wired.com/story/the-star-wars-video-that-baffled-youtubes-copyright-cops/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-star-wars-video-that-baffled...

jcoffland 9y ago
John Williams stole (borrowed) a lot of music from Gustav Holst and many others. He's famous for it. Specifically parts of Holst's The Planets. Does this sound familiar?: https://youtu.be/Isic2Z2e2xs?t=4m24s https://youtu.be/Isic2Z2e2xs?t=4m24s
- gre 9y ago
  Listen at 1:45, whole piece is amazing though. https://youtu.be/JFIGoB7rK70?t=1m40s https://youtu.be/JFIGoB7rK70?t=1m40s
- jboggan 9y ago
  Oh of course, Auralnauts replace so many of Williams' works with Holst in their various videos that you hardly even know it. Similarly look at the opening of the 4th movement of Dvorak's 9th (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9OBf8f55tU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9OBf8f55tU) for Jaws' inspiration. Or listen to any of Ralph Vaughan Williams' 9 symphonies and you'll hear John Williams' orchestration and voicing directly.
- meri_dian 9y ago
  There's a long history - I suppose it's a tradition - of composers leaning on one another for inspiration. Sometimes this takes the form of them outright copying another's melody and elaborating upon it. Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn, Bach, Mendelssohn, Brahms etc. all did this. Put in this context what Williams has done in borrowing from Holst and others isn't scandalous whatsoever and shouldn't be thought of as such.
  - smsm42 9y ago
    Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn, Bach, Mendelssohn, Brahms etc. probably didn't send each other DMCA takedown demands though.
  - visarga 9y ago
    Just let me fix a few words, for science: > There's a long history - I suppose it's a tradition - of composers claiming copyright on someone else's work and sending DMCA takedowns automatically That's how absurd it has become.
  - combatentropy 9y ago
    Everything is a remix, https://vimeo.com/14912890 https://vimeo.com/14912890
  - Feniks 9y ago
    You're making an excellent case against copyright. I always joke about how much money Europe should pay China for ideas like the compass or gunpowder.
  - deleted 9y ago
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- sicariusnoctis 9y ago
  The overall structure is similar, many themes sound like they were modified from Star Wars (or rather, the other way around), and 6:55 sounds like it was literally copy pasted.
- gspetr 9y ago
  “...great poets imitate and improve, whereas small ones steal and spoil.”

jcoffland 9y ago

John Williams stole (borrowed) a lot of music from Gustav Holst and many others. He's famous for it. Specifically parts of Holst's The Planets. Does this sound familiar?: https://youtu.be/Isic2Z2e2xs?t=4m24s https://youtu.be/Isic2Z2e2xs?t=4m24s

gre 9y ago
Listen at 1:45, whole piece is amazing though. https://youtu.be/JFIGoB7rK70?t=1m40s https://youtu.be/JFIGoB7rK70?t=1m40s
jboggan 9y ago
Oh of course, Auralnauts replace so many of Williams' works with Holst in their various videos that you hardly even know it. Similarly look at the opening of the 4th movement of Dvorak's 9th (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9OBf8f55tU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9OBf8f55tU) for Jaws' inspiration. Or listen to any of Ralph Vaughan Williams' 9 symphonies and you'll hear John Williams' orchestration and voicing directly.
meri_dian 9y ago
There's a long history - I suppose it's a tradition - of composers leaning on one another for inspiration. Sometimes this takes the form of them outright copying another's melody and elaborating upon it. Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn, Bach, Mendelssohn, Brahms etc. all did this. Put in this context what Williams has done in borrowing from Holst and others isn't scandalous whatsoever and shouldn't be thought of as such.
- smsm42 9y ago
  Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn, Bach, Mendelssohn, Brahms etc. probably didn't send each other DMCA takedown demands though.
- visarga 9y ago
  Just let me fix a few words, for science: > There's a long history - I suppose it's a tradition - of composers claiming copyright on someone else's work and sending DMCA takedowns automatically That's how absurd it has become.
- combatentropy 9y ago
  Everything is a remix, https://vimeo.com/14912890 https://vimeo.com/14912890
- Feniks 9y ago
  You're making an excellent case against copyright. I always joke about how much money Europe should pay China for ideas like the compass or gunpowder.
- deleted 9y ago
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sicariusnoctis 9y ago
The overall structure is similar, many themes sound like they were modified from Star Wars (or rather, the other way around), and 6:55 sounds like it was literally copy pasted.
gspetr 9y ago
“...great poets imitate and improve, whereas small ones steal and spoil.”