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> Does this seem spectacularly unreasonable ? Like everything I guess it depends on your political views. Personally I think it's fine if medical care and rese

> Does this seem spectacularly unreasonable ? Like everything I guess it depends on your political views. Personally I think it's fine if medical care and research is a massive black hole of funds that the tax payer foots the bill for...

hycaria 9y ago
Why ?!
- ianai 9y ago
  Revenue seeks after profit. There are many diseases too rare to be feasible to research and develop on a cost/benefit revenue basis.
  - hycaria 9y ago
    So we should create a black hole of funds for a few people ? I don't see where the gain for society is there. Not everyone can be saved/helped, and medicines/drugs are probably too greatly overestimated now in my opinion. Also it's sad but some organisms are just not fit for some tasks (or sometimes even for life), and I don't think throwing money without any supervision or afterthought about it is a very wise answer as a society. Like, maybe we can just have blind people.
    - tincholio 9y ago
      I wonder if you'd think the same if it was your kid (or you yourself) in that position. It's easy to take the pragmatic asshole position when it's not your skin in the game. It boggles the mind that people think like this in this day and age.
      - hycaria 9y ago
        It's been published a few times over the past few days that healthcare professionnals often have lower expectancies towards medicine especially during end of life etc. So I guess I would actually think the same indeed.
        Amygaz 9y ago
        There is a difference between current days 70yo oncologist with cancer, and a 30yo proud parent. As futile as it would be, before I had a child, I thought that in the event of a end-of-humanity catastrophe, I would get as close to the source as possible and admire the end. Now with a kid, I am going to hold the fort has long as possible, cook my own hand and serve it, just it case this isn't the end.
        hycaria 9y ago
        Nope, such testimonies even exist in 30 yo. It's not a matter of having children (and I firmly believe you can have children without becoming unreasonable on the way, even if having children often denotes of complete disregard for the world's state over one's egoistic interests but that's another problem), just having seen enough biology at work...
      - Spivak 9y ago
        This is really just a corollary of the fact that it's easy to spend other people's money. Which itself is a corollary that people are selfish. No admonishment, it's just part of being human. A survey of people who stand to benefit from society paying for an expensive treatment isn't exactly the most objective.
    - TeMPOraL 9y ago
      We need to stop expecting healthcare to work as a fully independent, self-funding unit in a society. It doesn't, and cannot, work that way. Healthcare, like basic research, is a cost centre in a country, not a profit centre, by the very virtue of what it deals with. It's a place to which you allocate surplus created elsewhere in the economy.
      - hycaria 9y ago
        I agree, but it really is a bottomless pit though, so I don't get how above poster think it's very wise to approach its cost and subventions by going without limits, because "bah, taxpayer will pay".
        TeMPOraL 9y ago
        You're right, there needs to be a limit. It's a hard decision to make which treatments will get funded and which won't, but it has to be made.
        candiodari 9y ago
        And by making it a decision by some body you make sure that it will be corrupted. By just limiting the money and leaving it to the private sector you make sure it's an actual economic decision. So do you want the extreme rare condition that some important congresscritter's daughter has consume 80% of the medical budget ? This is the way to go.
        TeMPOraL 9y ago
        The private sector is absolutely magical at corrupting economic decisions and sucking out all the money that passes through it, so it's not that easy either. > So do you want the extreme rare condition that some important congresscritter's daughter has consume 80% of the medical budget ? This is the way to go. People would scream bloody murder if that happened.
      - ianai 9y ago
    - eli_gottlieb 9y ago
      So, hold on, are you volunteering to pay for more people to be sick and disabled because we decided it just wasn't worth it to cure their illnesses?

hycaria 9y ago

Why ?!

ianai 9y ago
Revenue seeks after profit. There are many diseases too rare to be feasible to research and develop on a cost/benefit revenue basis.
- hycaria 9y ago
  So we should create a black hole of funds for a few people ? I don't see where the gain for society is there. Not everyone can be saved/helped, and medicines/drugs are probably too greatly overestimated now in my opinion. Also it's sad but some organisms are just not fit for some tasks (or sometimes even for life), and I don't think throwing money without any supervision or afterthought about it is a very wise answer as a society. Like, maybe we can just have blind people.
  - tincholio 9y ago
    I wonder if you'd think the same if it was your kid (or you yourself) in that position. It's easy to take the pragmatic asshole position when it's not your skin in the game. It boggles the mind that people think like this in this day and age.
    - hycaria 9y ago
      It's been published a few times over the past few days that healthcare professionnals often have lower expectancies towards medicine especially during end of life etc. So I guess I would actually think the same indeed.
      - Amygaz 9y ago
        There is a difference between current days 70yo oncologist with cancer, and a 30yo proud parent. As futile as it would be, before I had a child, I thought that in the event of a end-of-humanity catastrophe, I would get as close to the source as possible and admire the end. Now with a kid, I am going to hold the fort has long as possible, cook my own hand and serve it, just it case this isn't the end.
        hycaria 9y ago
        Nope, such testimonies even exist in 30 yo. It's not a matter of having children (and I firmly believe you can have children without becoming unreasonable on the way, even if having children often denotes of complete disregard for the world's state over one's egoistic interests but that's another problem), just having seen enough biology at work...
    - Spivak 9y ago
      This is really just a corollary of the fact that it's easy to spend other people's money. Which itself is a corollary that people are selfish. No admonishment, it's just part of being human. A survey of people who stand to benefit from society paying for an expensive treatment isn't exactly the most objective.
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    We need to stop expecting healthcare to work as a fully independent, self-funding unit in a society. It doesn't, and cannot, work that way. Healthcare, like basic research, is a cost centre in a country, not a profit centre, by the very virtue of what it deals with. It's a place to which you allocate surplus created elsewhere in the economy.
    - hycaria 9y ago
      I agree, but it really is a bottomless pit though, so I don't get how above poster think it's very wise to approach its cost and subventions by going without limits, because "bah, taxpayer will pay".
      - TeMPOraL 9y ago
        You're right, there needs to be a limit. It's a hard decision to make which treatments will get funded and which won't, but it has to be made.
        candiodari 9y ago
        And by making it a decision by some body you make sure that it will be corrupted. By just limiting the money and leaving it to the private sector you make sure it's an actual economic decision. So do you want the extreme rare condition that some important congresscritter's daughter has consume 80% of the medical budget ? This is the way to go.
        TeMPOraL 9y ago
        The private sector is absolutely magical at corrupting economic decisions and sucking out all the money that passes through it, so it's not that easy either. > So do you want the extreme rare condition that some important congresscritter's daughter has consume 80% of the medical budget ? This is the way to go. People would scream bloody murder if that happened.
    - ianai 9y ago
  - eli_gottlieb 9y ago
    So, hold on, are you volunteering to pay for more people to be sick and disabled because we decided it just wasn't worth it to cure their illnesses?