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Swap Oracle for Sun, Google for Microsoft, Dalvik for the Microsoft Java Virtual Machine, 2010 for 1997 and I don't see the difference: one big-ass company with

by kevbin 16y ago

Swap Oracle for Sun, Google for Microsoft, Dalvik for the Microsoft Java Virtual Machine, 2010 for 1997 and I don't see the difference: one big-ass company with a lot of money going after another big-ass company with a lot of money. After a bunch of feisty lawyering, one will pay the other and they'll swap pieces of paper allowing them to go on as before: getting you to write software for their technology stack so they can brag about adoption, penetration, and the unparalleled quality of freely-available libraries for their platform; lather, rinse, repeat. Regardless, Clojure will remain the best way to survive the twilight of the Java era.

serichsen 16y ago
Is the lawsuit not about the VM technology, all languages running on it thus being affected the same?
hga 16y ago
Disagree: Sun v. Microsoft was strictly a battle on a licensing contract, not a use of probably generic/bogus? patents against an independent piece of software. And the end result was pretty much the death of Microsoft's version of Java ("Visual Studio 2005 was the last release to include J#" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%2B%2B#Visual_J.23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%2B%2B#Visual_J.23). A similar outcome in SCOracle v. Google would be the capping and pretty fast death of Android.... "Regardless, Clojure will remain the best way to survive the twilight of the Java era." Well, if you're a Lisp fan like me (some Common Lisp fans are fond of Armed Bear Common Lisp: http://common-lisp.net/project/armedbear/ http://common-lisp.net/project/armedbear/); others strenuously disagree from both the Lisp ("Clojure is a terrifying meld of a beloved character and an unreasoning alien onslaught. http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/aqcqx/how_a_common_lisp_programmer_views_users_of_other/c0iw1ey http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/aqcqx/how_a_common_lis... ) and non-Lisp camps.
- kevbin 16y ago
  Thanks, I hadn't heard that opinion on clojure. It is a weird lisp, but I like that. The energy and interest around clojure, its fresh ideas, and frenemy relationship w/ java are the reasons I think it's the best way to play on the jvm as java goes away. After ms vs. Sun, ms produced .net. If google settled with sun then did the something similar: net win.

by kevbin 16y ago

serichsen 16y ago

Is the lawsuit not about the VM technology, all languages running on it thus being affected the same?

hga 16y ago

Disagree: Sun v. Microsoft was strictly a battle on a licensing contract, not a use of probably generic/bogus? patents against an independent piece of software. And the end result was pretty much the death of Microsoft's version of Java ("Visual Studio 2005 was the last release to include J#" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%2B%2B#Visual_J.23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%2B%2B#Visual_J.23). A similar outcome in SCOracle v. Google would be the capping and pretty fast death of Android.... "Regardless, Clojure will remain the best way to survive the twilight of the Java era." Well, if you're a Lisp fan like me (some Common Lisp fans are fond of Armed Bear Common Lisp: http://common-lisp.net/project/armedbear/ http://common-lisp.net/project/armedbear/); others strenuously disagree from both the Lisp ("Clojure is a terrifying meld of a beloved character and an unreasoning alien onslaught. http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/aqcqx/how_a_common_lisp_programmer_views_users_of_other/c0iw1ey http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/aqcqx/how_a_common_lis... ) and non-Lisp camps.

kevbin 16y ago
Thanks, I hadn't heard that opinion on clojure. It is a weird lisp, but I like that. The energy and interest around clojure, its fresh ideas, and frenemy relationship w/ java are the reasons I think it's the best way to play on the jvm as java goes away. After ms vs. Sun, ms produced .net. If google settled with sun then did the something similar: net win.