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I don't necessarily disagree, but two small counter points: 1. It's now illegal in California for employers to ask for salary history. 2. Vacation days, if th
by el_benhameen 9y ago
I don't necessarily disagree, but two small counter points:
1. It's now illegal in California for employers to ask for salary history.
2. Vacation days, if they're not unlimited, are compensation and must be paid out if you leave. That's not base salary with which you can negotiate a higher offer at another company, but it is money.
- aknosis 9y ago#2 is not entirely true. It appears that in the U.S this is a state law that can vary by state. In Arizona it seems that they leave this up to the employer which means obviously they will choose not to pay out that balance.
- PenguinCoder 9y ago#2 is why all the 'trendy' companies are starting to give out "unlimited PTO".
- el_benhameen 9y agoYeah, I've wondered (figured) if that's part of the motivation. That and they can just shame people into taking none. Not a fan unless the company is super trustworthy, which is hard to gauge.
- mackey 9y agoTotally, even within the same company it can vary. I worked some place where engineering was really good about encouraging people to take time off and lots of upper management set a good example with unlimited PTO. However, I had heard that sales and consulting weren't as encouraged.
- saryant 9y agoIt can work well, but I think it comes down more to the your manager/org than the overall company (assuming we're talking about a large enough company for there to be disparate orgs). We have unlimited PTO and I think I took 7-8ish weeks last year—including spending pretty much all of November in New Zealand. Nobody had an issue with it. OTOH, I know of people in the company who struggle to take more than two weeks. During my last job search I would point-blank ask the hiring manager how much PTO they and their reports took in the last year.
- woolvalley 9y agoIt's undefined vacation with manager approval, who internally enforces a hard limit set by HR.
- itsdevlin 9y agoAdditionally, it removes a large liability on the balance sheet and makes accounting a fair bit easier.
- borplk 9y agoIf they don't force a minimum number of days to be taken per year it often turns into a guilt-tripping fest.
- HeyLaughingBoy 9y agoNo, but you can use your previously higher vacation time to negotiate for either more money, or more PTO at the new job. If you have a wedge, use it.