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I would add that these kinds of "Normal users click accept/next" are how "offers" on software gets installed. Case in point: uTorrent. Download and "install".

I would add that these kinds of "Normal users click accept/next" are how "offers" on software gets installed. Case in point: uTorrent. Download and "install". You will, generally, get 2 screens that install junk. On one screen you can click "Decline". On another, you can click "Skip". These screens are between all the normal "which folder", "do you accept" and "thank you" screens. Case in point: Adobe Reader... download it from their website WITHOUT unchecking the "Optional Offers". You then have a Reader with Benefits. I consider myself "trained" and "knowledgeable" and I occasionally get bit by these... sidecars... included with desired software. I have no faith that 95% of people know how to sidestep these "landmines". Decline? that means "don't install". Skip? Why would I skip an important part of the installation.

Pxtl 9y ago
I've been burned enough by bad installers that I go to ninite for any software like that.
beamatronic 9y ago
What about the High Sierra notification itself? The only options are "install" and "details"
virgilp 9y ago
The problem with most of your examples is that either they're not dialogs ("unclick optional offers"), or they are expected dialogs (you expect during installation dialogs that ask you this-and-that, and you knowingly triggered the installation, so you mistakenly/casually click the wrong button). They are dark patterns, that first train you to click "next-next-next" then present you with an "offer" where you're also expected to click "next". The system security dialogs like the "permissions" dialogs are not like that - I even read the Android permissions dialog (though I realize most people don't, I still think a sizeable chunk of people do, and thus I considered the original claim - that nobody does, not even developers/dev-ops - to be hyperbolic).

Pxtl 9y ago

I've been burned enough by bad installers that I go to ninite for any software like that.

beamatronic 9y ago

What about the High Sierra notification itself? The only options are "install" and "details"

virgilp 9y ago

The problem with most of your examples is that either they're not dialogs ("unclick optional offers"), or they are expected dialogs (you expect during installation dialogs that ask you this-and-that, and you knowingly triggered the installation, so you mistakenly/casually click the wrong button). They are dark patterns, that first train you to click "next-next-next" then present you with an "offer" where you're also expected to click "next". The system security dialogs like the "permissions" dialogs are not like that - I even read the Android permissions dialog (though I realize most people don't, I still think a sizeable chunk of people do, and thus I considered the original claim - that nobody does, not even developers/dev-ops - to be hyperbolic).