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> What has this got to do with "putting on his MRA hat"? I'd say it's more a mark of red pill than MRA (although to most people outside the related subcultures

> What has this got to do with "putting on his MRA hat"? I'd say it's more a mark of red pill than MRA (although to most people outside the related subcultures, that's probably a distinction without a difference). Basically, the red pill narrative centers on people exploiting their own "sexual market value", with male SMV being determined by wealth and social status and female SMV being determined by youth and sexual inexperience. In this narrative, the most desirable women spend their peak-SMV years "riding the alpha cock carousel" and are "used up" by multiple high-SMV ("alpha") men, then cynically seek out lower-SMV ("beta") men for financial support after they've squandered their SMV, especially if they have children. This is summarized with the catchphrase "alpha fux, beta bux". Things like individual preferences and romantic compatibility don't exist in this model. This is also behind the modern use of "cuck" as an insult in some subcultures: it's shorthand for describing the beta male in this scenario who is exploited to raise another man's children, and by extension anyone who is perceived as not being appropriately selfish.

wonderbear 9y ago
That was a depressing, yet succinct and solid summary.
- J-dawg 9y ago
  Depressing in the sense of "it's depressing that it's true" or in the sense of "it's depressing that some people think that way?" Personally I think it's a mixture of both. And also that it doesn't necessarily need to be depressing.
J-dawg 9y ago
I agree with the distinction between mens rights activism and the red pill. These and other male subcultures (MGTOW etc) always seem to get lumped together by people who want to discredit them. A documentary about men's rights being called "The Red Pill" certainly didn't help in this regard. But my question to the grandparent comment was meant to be more like, why should making some fairly uncontroversial (and evidence-backed) assertions require putting on any sort of 'hat' at all? I'm not saying I agree with all of the red pill philosophy, but it's amazing how some people automatically go on the defensive when this stuff comes up.

wonderbear 9y ago

That was a depressing, yet succinct and solid summary.

J-dawg 9y ago
Depressing in the sense of "it's depressing that it's true" or in the sense of "it's depressing that some people think that way?" Personally I think it's a mixture of both. And also that it doesn't necessarily need to be depressing.

J-dawg 9y ago

I agree with the distinction between mens rights activism and the red pill. These and other male subcultures (MGTOW etc) always seem to get lumped together by people who want to discredit them. A documentary about men's rights being called "The Red Pill" certainly didn't help in this regard. But my question to the grandparent comment was meant to be more like, why should making some fairly uncontroversial (and evidence-backed) assertions require putting on any sort of 'hat' at all? I'm not saying I agree with all of the red pill philosophy, but it's amazing how some people automatically go on the defensive when this stuff comes up.