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I think they meant PR-only guy. His PR genius is in using his fan following for free PR. Tesla or SpaceX hardly need to spend any marketing dollars. No other t

I think they meant PR-only guy. His PR genius is in using his fan following for free PR. Tesla or SpaceX hardly need to spend any marketing dollars. No other tech leader is as charismatic (Steve Jobs came close, but Musk seems more genuine whereas Jobs felt like a salesman) and very few are as personally intelligent and accomplished.

kumarvvr 9y ago
Steve Jobs used way more hyped up adjectives, almost as if talking to a cult following.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  Steve Jobs was basically a salesman. A brilliant one. Nothing bad in that; I just wouldn't call him a "tech leader" - he was involved with technology only incidentally.
  - staunch 9y ago
    Steve Jobs was hacking on electronics in the 1970s and building the most advanced personal computing devices from then until his death. He was not a programmer but he knew more about computers than most programmers do. There's absolutely no way to call him non-technical accurately. Bill Gates giving up programming did not make him non-technical. Elon Musk wouldn't make this mistake. He's very openly trying to emulate Steve Jobs' entire skillset. Maybe the cause of this confusion is that most people only saw Steve Jobs when he went up on stage for an hour every year. Try asking yourself what he was doing the rest of the time. Elon Musk did.
    - TeMPOraL 9y ago
      I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that in the early days of Apple, it was Wozniak who was the tech guy and did most of the tech stuff.
      - icebraining 9y ago
        As far as I know, you're right: "Jobs never did a lick of engineering in his life. He had me snowed," Alcorn later recalled. "It took years before I figured out that he was getting Woz to 'come in the back door' and do all the work while he got the credit." https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/127537/Steve_Jobs_Atari_Employee_Number_40.php https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/127537/Steve_Jobs_Atari_...
        staunch 9y ago
        No one would look very technical next to Woz. And it's not surprising Jobs farmed out the work to his badass friend. > "At night the two would collaborate on building it at Atari: Wozniak as engineer, Jobs as breadboarder and tester...." But this is a very biased way of describing two people working on a technical project. To call one an "engineer" and the other a "breadboarder" as if he sat quietly contributing nothing. Just because one person is playing second fiddle to a truly gifted technical genius doesn't magically make them non-technical. If you want to argue Steve Jobs isn't technical, you'll have to set the bar lower than "as good as Woz" or almost none of us will make the cut!
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      - staunch 9y ago
        They created the Apple II together. Woz did most of the hard engineering but it was Jobs that shaped it into a product for regular people through a thousand technical decisions. You cannot create the company or products that Steve Jobs did without being technical. That doesn't mean you have to write the firmware on the wifi chip. It does mean you have to understand thousands of deeply technical concepts about computers.
    - soperj 9y ago
      If you read any of the stuff from Fokelore.org you'd realize how mistaken you were.
      - staunch 9y ago
        We know that's not true since I've read most of it multiple times. What is it you think I'm wrong about?
  - gwicks56 9y ago
    Read on twitter recently: "Move far enough up in any career, and you are essentially doing sales". Thought that was very true.
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kumarvvr 9y ago

Steve Jobs used way more hyped up adjectives, almost as if talking to a cult following.

TeMPOraL 9y ago
Steve Jobs was basically a salesman. A brilliant one. Nothing bad in that; I just wouldn't call him a "tech leader" - he was involved with technology only incidentally.
- staunch 9y ago
  Steve Jobs was hacking on electronics in the 1970s and building the most advanced personal computing devices from then until his death. He was not a programmer but he knew more about computers than most programmers do. There's absolutely no way to call him non-technical accurately. Bill Gates giving up programming did not make him non-technical. Elon Musk wouldn't make this mistake. He's very openly trying to emulate Steve Jobs' entire skillset. Maybe the cause of this confusion is that most people only saw Steve Jobs when he went up on stage for an hour every year. Try asking yourself what he was doing the rest of the time. Elon Musk did.
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that in the early days of Apple, it was Wozniak who was the tech guy and did most of the tech stuff.
    - icebraining 9y ago
      As far as I know, you're right: "Jobs never did a lick of engineering in his life. He had me snowed," Alcorn later recalled. "It took years before I figured out that he was getting Woz to 'come in the back door' and do all the work while he got the credit." https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/127537/Steve_Jobs_Atari_Employee_Number_40.php https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/127537/Steve_Jobs_Atari_...
      - staunch 9y ago
        No one would look very technical next to Woz. And it's not surprising Jobs farmed out the work to his badass friend. > "At night the two would collaborate on building it at Atari: Wozniak as engineer, Jobs as breadboarder and tester...." But this is a very biased way of describing two people working on a technical project. To call one an "engineer" and the other a "breadboarder" as if he sat quietly contributing nothing. Just because one person is playing second fiddle to a truly gifted technical genius doesn't magically make them non-technical. If you want to argue Steve Jobs isn't technical, you'll have to set the bar lower than "as good as Woz" or almost none of us will make the cut!
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    - staunch 9y ago
      They created the Apple II together. Woz did most of the hard engineering but it was Jobs that shaped it into a product for regular people through a thousand technical decisions. You cannot create the company or products that Steve Jobs did without being technical. That doesn't mean you have to write the firmware on the wifi chip. It does mean you have to understand thousands of deeply technical concepts about computers.
  - soperj 9y ago
    If you read any of the stuff from Fokelore.org you'd realize how mistaken you were.
    - staunch 9y ago
      We know that's not true since I've read most of it multiple times. What is it you think I'm wrong about?
- gwicks56 9y ago
  Read on twitter recently: "Move far enough up in any career, and you are essentially doing sales". Thought that was very true.

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