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"We don’t have to assume very much to see this play out in the real world, only that men prefer young women and women prefer high status men." Author puts on h

by fwip 9y ago

"We don’t have to assume very much to see this play out in the real world, only that men prefer young women and women prefer high status men." Author puts on his MRA hat to make a few assertions, runs a simulation, and uses that assumption to conclude that women will get more dates with high-status men with technology.

notyourday 9y ago
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/dating/19-scienc-men-can-appear-more-attractive-women-dating-romance-a7674331.html http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/dating/19-scienc-men... But yeah, lets blame MRA
- wheelie_boy 9y ago
  That's not a great source. It also tells men to wear red and eat garlic.
  - notyourday 9y ago
    a) it has links. Use them. b) one should have an intellectual capacity of appreciating that Kerr did not get together with Evan for his stunning personality.
    - nindalf 9y ago
      > it has links. Use them. If you're trying to prove something, its better to say nothing at all than to post a shitty source. And please don't ask someone else to do research that should be done by you.
      - nailer 9y ago
        Not the OP, but the article is full of citations to academic reearch and .gov sites. What else would you like? Clicking a few random links: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302732 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302732 http://akademiai.com/doi/abs/10.1556/JEP.12.2014.1.1 http://akademiai.com/doi/abs/10.1556/JEP.12.2014.1.1 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22947829 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22947829 It's fairly obvious to see why notyourday may be frustrated with you saying its a 'a shitty source' and asking them to provide you with research when they just have.
        emodendroket 9y ago
        I think it's fair to expect someone who wants to use the research to bolster their claims to highlight portions of it that are relevant rather than dumping a bunch of links (or posting an article and expecting someone to follow them all).
  - nindalf 9y ago
    I have no strong opinion on this subject, but this claim probably originates from a book written by a data analyst at OKCupid - Dataclysm by Christian Rudder. Its a good read fwiw.
    - j_s 9y ago
      Matchmaker, Matchmaker, Make Me a Spreadsheet | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8291436 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8291436 We Experiment On Human Beings | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8097415 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8097415
  - nailer 9y ago
    It's a left wing source (which are regarded as more reputable on HN [see edit]) reporting a study from the University of Wales, specifically: > A 2010 study from the University of Wales Institute found that men pictured with a Silver Bentley Continental GT were perceived as way more attractive than those pictures with a Red Ford Fiesta ST. What is your issue with The Independent and/or The University of Wales? [edit]: noting the moderation on this fairly objective comment, I'll add that I'm not stating this is good or bad, but just that this is what I've observed after being here 10 years.
    - wheelie_boy 9y ago
      The issue with the independent as a source is that it is obviously designed to be consumed as entertainment rather than a serious look at the topic. You can cherry-pick studies that show something entertaining, but that doesn't tell you much about the current scientific consensus. It's like how news loves to report that popular indulgences protect against cancer (wine, chocolate, coffee, whatever) Are you planning on starting to wear red and eat a lot of garlic in order to attract more women?
      - notyourday 9y ago
        I will continue not to dress like a slob in vendor T-shirts and, eat in places other than Olive Garden or neighborhood chicken wings and pizza place and not live in a dump. [Edit:] Downvoting this is not going to change that your unwillingness to dress well, socialize with not tech geeks and project your desirability is what significantly limits your opportunities in attracting partners that you think you deserve.
        emodendroket 9y ago
        Oh, too good for the neighborhood chicken wings and pizza place, huh?
      - nailer 9y ago
        > Are you planning on starting to wear red and eat a lot of garlic in order to attract more women? Yes, I do wear subtly eye catching clothing and it does affect the amount of sexual attention I recieve from both men and women. You genuinely haven't heard of this before?
J-dawg 9y ago
There is evidence from OKCupid etc (and, y'know, the real world) that the two assertions you quoted are true, broadly speaking. What has this got to do with "putting on his MRA hat"? Does this invalidate the assertions somehow?
- CiPHPerCoder 9y ago
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  - aceofspad4s 9y ago
    >Or could it be because the traits one needs to cultivate in order to achieve high status have an overlap with the traits that are desirable in romantic partners (e.g. empathy, integrity, being an active listener, knowing when and how to compromise)? You do not need those traits to be high status.
    - CiPHPerCoder 9y ago
      [delete]
      - aceofspad4s 9y ago
        The same it means to everybody else: to be rich or in the media spotlight. You can also have a high esteem in a community by being a manipulative fuck.
    - guskel 9y ago
      Likewise, you can have those traits and not be high status.
    - osullivj 9y ago
      IMHO those traits may well be a handicap to becoming high status. Especially in an organisation like an investment bank that selects for promotion by perceived characteristics like driven, goal oriented, focused...
  - 9y ago
eropple 9y ago
For folks who think he's exaggerating about the MRA thing, his other posts are about "whether 'beta males' should resign themselves to sleeping with transwomen" with the conclusion that, of course not, we just need to shame those real women who are sluts (really needed some A+ transphobia and anti-woman bullshit up in here, that was good) and links to goddamned Return of Kings as a positive source. I flagged this source and it should probably be on HN's autokill list. This guy is a bad dude and he isn't even an interesting bad dude.

by fwip 9y ago

notyourday 9y ago

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/dating/19-scienc-men-can-appear-more-attractive-women-dating-romance-a7674331.html http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/dating/19-scienc-men... But yeah, lets blame MRA

wheelie_boy 9y ago
That's not a great source. It also tells men to wear red and eat garlic.
- notyourday 9y ago
  a) it has links. Use them. b) one should have an intellectual capacity of appreciating that Kerr did not get together with Evan for his stunning personality.
  - nindalf 9y ago
    > it has links. Use them. If you're trying to prove something, its better to say nothing at all than to post a shitty source. And please don't ask someone else to do research that should be done by you.
    - nailer 9y ago
      Not the OP, but the article is full of citations to academic reearch and .gov sites. What else would you like? Clicking a few random links: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302732 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302732 http://akademiai.com/doi/abs/10.1556/JEP.12.2014.1.1 http://akademiai.com/doi/abs/10.1556/JEP.12.2014.1.1 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22947829 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22947829 It's fairly obvious to see why notyourday may be frustrated with you saying its a 'a shitty source' and asking them to provide you with research when they just have.
      - emodendroket 9y ago
        I think it's fair to expect someone who wants to use the research to bolster their claims to highlight portions of it that are relevant rather than dumping a bunch of links (or posting an article and expecting someone to follow them all).
- nindalf 9y ago
  I have no strong opinion on this subject, but this claim probably originates from a book written by a data analyst at OKCupid - Dataclysm by Christian Rudder. Its a good read fwiw.
  - j_s 9y ago
    Matchmaker, Matchmaker, Make Me a Spreadsheet | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8291436 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8291436 We Experiment On Human Beings | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8097415 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8097415
- nailer 9y ago
  It's a left wing source (which are regarded as more reputable on HN [see edit]) reporting a study from the University of Wales, specifically: > A 2010 study from the University of Wales Institute found that men pictured with a Silver Bentley Continental GT were perceived as way more attractive than those pictures with a Red Ford Fiesta ST. What is your issue with The Independent and/or The University of Wales? [edit]: noting the moderation on this fairly objective comment, I'll add that I'm not stating this is good or bad, but just that this is what I've observed after being here 10 years.
  - wheelie_boy 9y ago
    The issue with the independent as a source is that it is obviously designed to be consumed as entertainment rather than a serious look at the topic. You can cherry-pick studies that show something entertaining, but that doesn't tell you much about the current scientific consensus. It's like how news loves to report that popular indulgences protect against cancer (wine, chocolate, coffee, whatever) Are you planning on starting to wear red and eat a lot of garlic in order to attract more women?
    - notyourday 9y ago
      I will continue not to dress like a slob in vendor T-shirts and, eat in places other than Olive Garden or neighborhood chicken wings and pizza place and not live in a dump. [Edit:] Downvoting this is not going to change that your unwillingness to dress well, socialize with not tech geeks and project your desirability is what significantly limits your opportunities in attracting partners that you think you deserve.
      - emodendroket 9y ago
        Oh, too good for the neighborhood chicken wings and pizza place, huh?
    - nailer 9y ago
      > Are you planning on starting to wear red and eat a lot of garlic in order to attract more women? Yes, I do wear subtly eye catching clothing and it does affect the amount of sexual attention I recieve from both men and women. You genuinely haven't heard of this before?

J-dawg 9y ago

There is evidence from OKCupid etc (and, y'know, the real world) that the two assertions you quoted are true, broadly speaking. What has this got to do with "putting on his MRA hat"? Does this invalidate the assertions somehow?

CiPHPerCoder 9y ago
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- aceofspad4s 9y ago
  >Or could it be because the traits one needs to cultivate in order to achieve high status have an overlap with the traits that are desirable in romantic partners (e.g. empathy, integrity, being an active listener, knowing when and how to compromise)? You do not need those traits to be high status.
  - CiPHPerCoder 9y ago
    [delete]
    - aceofspad4s 9y ago
      The same it means to everybody else: to be rich or in the media spotlight. You can also have a high esteem in a community by being a manipulative fuck.
  - guskel 9y ago
    Likewise, you can have those traits and not be high status.
  - osullivj 9y ago
    IMHO those traits may well be a handicap to becoming high status. Especially in an organisation like an investment bank that selects for promotion by perceived characteristics like driven, goal oriented, focused...
- 9y ago

eropple 9y ago

For folks who think he's exaggerating about the MRA thing, his other posts are about "whether 'beta males' should resign themselves to sleeping with transwomen" with the conclusion that, of course not, we just need to shame those real women who are sluts (really needed some A+ transphobia and anti-woman bullshit up in here, that was good) and links to goddamned Return of Kings as a positive source. I flagged this source and it should probably be on HN's autokill list. This guy is a bad dude and he isn't even an interesting bad dude.