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> a country with better opportunity as an immigrant It's virtually impossible to immigrate to the US without any financial backing, like a stack of cash or an

> a country with better opportunity as an immigrant It's virtually impossible to immigrate to the US without any financial backing, like a stack of cash or an employer wanting to hire you. So yes, the odds of an immigrant succeeding in the US are pretty good, I wouldn't call this an opportunity for people who aren't already well off though.

ThomPete 9y ago
No it's not. The US system is actually much more liberal than the EU. It also provides opportunities for the 11mil illegal immigrants. How many syrian immigrants are part of the job market in EU?
- spiderfarmer 9y ago
  50% of the non-western refugees in The Netherlands are working at least part-time. With most companies scrambling to find personnel even in low-paying jobs, I think we'll conclude in a few years that those refugees were a net-benefit to society.
  - ThomPete 9y ago
    If your report where anything like the Danish one it concluded that they were a net negative to society. And you still haven't shown a country that provides as much opportunity as the US when it comes to "The American Dream"
    - spiderfarmer 9y ago
      You and I clearly have different definitions of opportunity or what it means to the average individual.
      - ThomPete 9y ago
        That's what I have been trying to explain to you now for several posts. The US general idea of opportunity and the American Dream isn't what you think it is. So glad you finally got that part. It's a fundamental difference in how these things are percieved.
- lambdadmitry 9y ago
  > The US system is actually much more liberal than the EU How so? Here are the options to immigrate to the US for an IT professional: - be hired by some rich company, try H1B, most likely fail in the lottery and wait for another year; - be hired by some rich megacorp with presence in multiple countries, move to one of the countries, wait for a year, get L1 and move to the US. Too bad if you have a partner, he/she won't be able to work for a few years In both cases your position is really precarious until you get your green card, so oftentimes you can't really afford to change employers. How on Earth is it "liberal"?
  - ThomPete 9y ago
    You are missing a lot of different ways that you can get into the US and still be part of society in ways that simply aren't possible in Europe. But don't take my word for it. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/business/international/for-immigrants-america-is-still-more-welcoming-than-europe.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/business/international/fo...
    - lambdadmitry 9y ago
      I would really appreciate if you would mention visa types instead of an article about integration. Also please elaborate on the "ways than aren't possible in Europe" if you don't mind.

ThomPete 9y ago

No it's not. The US system is actually much more liberal than the EU. It also provides opportunities for the 11mil illegal immigrants. How many syrian immigrants are part of the job market in EU?

spiderfarmer 9y ago
50% of the non-western refugees in The Netherlands are working at least part-time. With most companies scrambling to find personnel even in low-paying jobs, I think we'll conclude in a few years that those refugees were a net-benefit to society.
- ThomPete 9y ago
  If your report where anything like the Danish one it concluded that they were a net negative to society. And you still haven't shown a country that provides as much opportunity as the US when it comes to "The American Dream"
  - spiderfarmer 9y ago
    You and I clearly have different definitions of opportunity or what it means to the average individual.
    - ThomPete 9y ago
      That's what I have been trying to explain to you now for several posts. The US general idea of opportunity and the American Dream isn't what you think it is. So glad you finally got that part. It's a fundamental difference in how these things are percieved.
lambdadmitry 9y ago
> The US system is actually much more liberal than the EU How so? Here are the options to immigrate to the US for an IT professional: - be hired by some rich company, try H1B, most likely fail in the lottery and wait for another year; - be hired by some rich megacorp with presence in multiple countries, move to one of the countries, wait for a year, get L1 and move to the US. Too bad if you have a partner, he/she won't be able to work for a few years In both cases your position is really precarious until you get your green card, so oftentimes you can't really afford to change employers. How on Earth is it "liberal"?
- ThomPete 9y ago
  You are missing a lot of different ways that you can get into the US and still be part of society in ways that simply aren't possible in Europe. But don't take my word for it. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/business/international/for-immigrants-america-is-still-more-welcoming-than-europe.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/business/international/fo...
  - lambdadmitry 9y ago
    I would really appreciate if you would mention visa types instead of an article about integration. Also please elaborate on the "ways than aren't possible in Europe" if you don't mind.