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> still protect your rights as well There are few western countries that are as bad at protecting rights as the US. See: - Guantanamo Bay, where people are he

> still protect your rights as well There are few western countries that are as bad at protecting rights as the US. See: - Guantanamo Bay, where people are held indefinitely without trial - Abuse of civil forfeiture - Mass surveilance - Cops not being sentenced after needless shootings - Gerrymandering messing with the will of the people - Private companies often being more important than the public interest I could keep going, because there's plenty where that came from. It all depends on which rights you mean though, because the right to bear arms has indeed been well protected in the US (which isn't really considered a right anywhere else in the western world though).

pjc50 9y ago
The US has also failed to ratify the UN convention on Rights of the Child.
- refurb 9y ago
  That's because the UN is nothing more than a feel-good body that gives strongly wording condemnations while people die.
- ThomPete 9y ago
  The UN isn't exactly something to hold as a beacon for anything besides spending a lot of money on practically nothing.
  - FireBeyond 9y ago
    In which case, where is the harm? "Children have the rights to: - Protection (e.g., from abuse, exploitation and harmful substances) - Provision (e.g., for education, health care and an adequate standard of living) - Participation (e.g., listening to children’s views and respecting their evolving capacities) - Specific protections and provisions for vulnerable populations such as Aboriginal children and children with disabilities"
    - ThomPete 9y ago
      The UN is so much more and if you spent any time with them like I have you realize how absurdly wasteful it is as a system.
ThomPete 9y ago
Those are all true, they just have nothing to do with what we are talking about. You go to England and tell me they don't have mass surveillance, the EU has plenty of regulations that benefit companies not consumers, The US is far from perfect but again I would challenge you to find a country with better opportunity as an immigrant. I was talking about protected rights in the context of material rights and the opportunities this land provides. The reason why Scandinavian style healthcare (unfortunately) won't work here is that it's not like Scandinavia and it can never be like Scandinavia. Even Obamacare which I as a person with two melanomas under my belt is very happy with isn't really working. Only technology will help in the long run. The US healthcare system can't be solved realistically through political means.
- donkeyd 9y ago
  > a country with better opportunity as an immigrant It's virtually impossible to immigrate to the US without any financial backing, like a stack of cash or an employer wanting to hire you. So yes, the odds of an immigrant succeeding in the US are pretty good, I wouldn't call this an opportunity for people who aren't already well off though.
  - ThomPete 9y ago
    No it's not. The US system is actually much more liberal than the EU. It also provides opportunities for the 11mil illegal immigrants. How many syrian immigrants are part of the job market in EU?
    - spiderfarmer 9y ago
      50% of the non-western refugees in The Netherlands are working at least part-time. With most companies scrambling to find personnel even in low-paying jobs, I think we'll conclude in a few years that those refugees were a net-benefit to society.
      - ThomPete 9y ago
        If your report where anything like the Danish one it concluded that they were a net negative to society. And you still haven't shown a country that provides as much opportunity as the US when it comes to "The American Dream"

pjc50 9y ago

The US has also failed to ratify the UN convention on Rights of the Child.

refurb 9y ago
That's because the UN is nothing more than a feel-good body that gives strongly wording condemnations while people die.
ThomPete 9y ago
The UN isn't exactly something to hold as a beacon for anything besides spending a lot of money on practically nothing.
- FireBeyond 9y ago
  In which case, where is the harm? "Children have the rights to: - Protection (e.g., from abuse, exploitation and harmful substances) - Provision (e.g., for education, health care and an adequate standard of living) - Participation (e.g., listening to children’s views and respecting their evolving capacities) - Specific protections and provisions for vulnerable populations such as Aboriginal children and children with disabilities"
  - ThomPete 9y ago
    The UN is so much more and if you spent any time with them like I have you realize how absurdly wasteful it is as a system.

ThomPete 9y ago

Those are all true, they just have nothing to do with what we are talking about. You go to England and tell me they don't have mass surveillance, the EU has plenty of regulations that benefit companies not consumers, The US is far from perfect but again I would challenge you to find a country with better opportunity as an immigrant. I was talking about protected rights in the context of material rights and the opportunities this land provides. The reason why Scandinavian style healthcare (unfortunately) won't work here is that it's not like Scandinavia and it can never be like Scandinavia. Even Obamacare which I as a person with two melanomas under my belt is very happy with isn't really working. Only technology will help in the long run. The US healthcare system can't be solved realistically through political means.

donkeyd 9y ago
> a country with better opportunity as an immigrant It's virtually impossible to immigrate to the US without any financial backing, like a stack of cash or an employer wanting to hire you. So yes, the odds of an immigrant succeeding in the US are pretty good, I wouldn't call this an opportunity for people who aren't already well off though.
- ThomPete 9y ago
  No it's not. The US system is actually much more liberal than the EU. It also provides opportunities for the 11mil illegal immigrants. How many syrian immigrants are part of the job market in EU?
  - spiderfarmer 9y ago
    50% of the non-western refugees in The Netherlands are working at least part-time. With most companies scrambling to find personnel even in low-paying jobs, I think we'll conclude in a few years that those refugees were a net-benefit to society.
    - ThomPete 9y ago
      If your report where anything like the Danish one it concluded that they were a net negative to society. And you still haven't shown a country that provides as much opportunity as the US when it comes to "The American Dream"