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The US is a big country with different states, but so is the EU. The policies of Holland, Denmark or Germany could definately work in the US, if only the peopl

The US is a big country with different states, but so is the EU. The policies of Holland, Denmark or Germany could definately work in the US, if only the people developed a different stance on criminal behavior, healthcare, guns and taxes, America is the land of opportunity for some people. There are a lot of other countries with a lot of opportunities and freedom. More than 2 million people are incarcerated in the US right now. Where's the freedom in that? America is very egoistic and hard country, built on the lives poor people who were left behind by their fellow countrymen. With their stance on criminal behavior, healthcare, guns and taxes, the people in the US are definately more egoistic than people in more social democracies.

ThomPete 9y ago
You are confusing things here. Incarceration has nothing to do with what we are talking about. No one ever said the US is perfect. We are talking about whether 1) you can apply scandinavian style healthcare to the us (you can't) and whether the US provides more opportunities than other places (it still does) It's not equal and it's not trying to be equal either. EU isn't big geographically compared to the US and it's not as sparsely populated as the US is. That's what I mean with big. Yes, America is the land of opportunity for some. I don't think we were debating obvious truths here. The point is that America does, in fact, provide much more opportunities. That doesn't mean everyone is going to make it. That's never been the point about that expression anyway. The US isn't more selfish if we actually look at how many volunteer in the US that alone would show that it's not that simple.
- deadbunny 9y ago
  > We are talking about whether 1) you can apply scandinavian style healthcare to the us (you can't) You keep repeating this throughout the thread without giving any actual arguments why. "Because we're not Scandinavia" is not a reason.
  - ThomPete 9y ago
    You should read a little more careful what I write then. I do explain it.
lr4444lr 9y ago
Do you know why those people are incarcerated? They broke laws, and they were found guilty by a jury of their peers even upon the presumption of innocence. If charged with a given imprisonable offense, under what other country's court system would you prefer to be tried?
- spiderfarmer 9y ago
  They broke laws, and they were found guilty by a jury of their peers even upon the presumption of innocence. Do you know why people committed these crimes? I prefer a justice system that takes their background into account and takes steps to improve the lives of these people. A justice system that only punishes without addressing the underlying issues is not a good system. The fact that you are arguing that the US' system is unrivaled only shows your prejudice and arrogance.
  - lr4444lr 9y ago
    Sentencing takes into account the background. The law itself is blind, under which all are equal. You're saying you'd let off a murderer because he had a rough childhood or what now? I am not saying our system os unrivaled, I am saying I am content, even happy, to be subject to it over any other I know of. It is not incumbent on me to find a preferable one if I like it. It is on you as the critic to do so. I will consider it if you make a good case.
    - SolaceQuantum 9y ago
      Have you watched the documentary the 13th? It covers severe issues with the incarceration rate in the United States, for example, the high proportion of black people incarcerated for the same crimes white people are completely let go of or otherwise not charges. How the justice system is very selective on what laws to enforce along racial lines. Stop and frisk turned out to mean “stop all the black people exclusively and search them”. How people are pressured to take plea deals even though they may indeed be innocent. How the police have been known to literally plant evidence or incite violence within communities or protests to force arrests.

ThomPete 9y ago

You are confusing things here. Incarceration has nothing to do with what we are talking about. No one ever said the US is perfect. We are talking about whether 1) you can apply scandinavian style healthcare to the us (you can't) and whether the US provides more opportunities than other places (it still does) It's not equal and it's not trying to be equal either. EU isn't big geographically compared to the US and it's not as sparsely populated as the US is. That's what I mean with big. Yes, America is the land of opportunity for some. I don't think we were debating obvious truths here. The point is that America does, in fact, provide much more opportunities. That doesn't mean everyone is going to make it. That's never been the point about that expression anyway. The US isn't more selfish if we actually look at how many volunteer in the US that alone would show that it's not that simple.

deadbunny 9y ago
> We are talking about whether 1) you can apply scandinavian style healthcare to the us (you can't) You keep repeating this throughout the thread without giving any actual arguments why. "Because we're not Scandinavia" is not a reason.
- ThomPete 9y ago
  You should read a little more careful what I write then. I do explain it.

lr4444lr 9y ago

Do you know why those people are incarcerated? They broke laws, and they were found guilty by a jury of their peers even upon the presumption of innocence. If charged with a given imprisonable offense, under what other country's court system would you prefer to be tried?

spiderfarmer 9y ago
They broke laws, and they were found guilty by a jury of their peers even upon the presumption of innocence. Do you know why people committed these crimes? I prefer a justice system that takes their background into account and takes steps to improve the lives of these people. A justice system that only punishes without addressing the underlying issues is not a good system. The fact that you are arguing that the US' system is unrivaled only shows your prejudice and arrogance.
- lr4444lr 9y ago
  Sentencing takes into account the background. The law itself is blind, under which all are equal. You're saying you'd let off a murderer because he had a rough childhood or what now? I am not saying our system os unrivaled, I am saying I am content, even happy, to be subject to it over any other I know of. It is not incumbent on me to find a preferable one if I like it. It is on you as the critic to do so. I will consider it if you make a good case.
  - SolaceQuantum 9y ago
    Have you watched the documentary the 13th? It covers severe issues with the incarceration rate in the United States, for example, the high proportion of black people incarcerated for the same crimes white people are completely let go of or otherwise not charges. How the justice system is very selective on what laws to enforce along racial lines. Stop and frisk turned out to mean “stop all the black people exclusively and search them”. How people are pressured to take plea deals even though they may indeed be innocent. How the police have been known to literally plant evidence or incite violence within communities or protests to force arrests.