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I can't seem to follow your argument. If you want DRM-free, lossless, digital music to download and own you can buy it from countless shops - from iTunes (well,

I can't seem to follow your argument. If you want DRM-free, lossless, digital music to download and own you can buy it from countless shops - from iTunes (well, not lossless) to platforms like Bandcamp to niche stores like Boomkat. I think the music industry, in contrast to its Hollywood sibling, has very much succeeded in offering DRM-free content from a wide range of stores, shops and platforms. Physical media like CDs aren't relevant to this development. Of course a subscription-based streaming service like Spotify can't operate without DRM. It's the whole point of the service: If you stop being a subscriber you lose access to the content.

thomastjeffery 9y ago
I want the liberty to compete with Spotify, Pandora, Google Music, iTunes, etc. without fear of debilitating litigation. I want to enjoy music without ever sacrificing my security or privacy to DRM. Just because the music industry is in a significantly better position than others does not make it good enough.
- thirdsun 9y ago
  > I want the liberty to compete with Spotify, Pandora, Google Music, iTunes, etc. without fear of debilitating litigation. Feel free to do so. Of course it will be an uphill battle and a very complicated process, but I guess that applies to competing with any kind of major service, regardless of its category. > I want to enjoy music without ever sacrificing my security or privacy to DRM. Again, you can. Buy music from the shop of your choice - it's yours. No DRM, no strings attached. > Just because the music industry is in a significantly better position than others does not make it good enough. I still don't understand what you're missing.
  - thomastjeffery 9y ago
    > Feel free to do so. I don't. That is entirely my point. Spotify started as a convenient P2P streaming service, then got the capital to pay rightsholders. If I were to do the exact same thing, I would almost definitely be stopped on the outset by litigation. > Again, you can Sometimes. A few specific services offer DRM-free tracks, but there isn't much competition in that space. Again, it is practically impossible to legally compete with incumbents. > from the shop of your choice CD's are still the gold standard for lossless DRM-free music distribution. That is not a good thing. That is not a reasonable thing. That is the status quo that we are all constrained to by a select few corporations. It's not as drastic a problem as in Movies/TV, but it is still a problem. > I still don't understand what you're missing. Maybe you can read my comments over again, and ask about specific points. I care an awful lot about the subject, and would be happy to clear things up.

thomastjeffery 9y ago

I want the liberty to compete with Spotify, Pandora, Google Music, iTunes, etc. without fear of debilitating litigation. I want to enjoy music without ever sacrificing my security or privacy to DRM. Just because the music industry is in a significantly better position than others does not make it good enough.

thirdsun 9y ago
> I want the liberty to compete with Spotify, Pandora, Google Music, iTunes, etc. without fear of debilitating litigation. Feel free to do so. Of course it will be an uphill battle and a very complicated process, but I guess that applies to competing with any kind of major service, regardless of its category. > I want to enjoy music without ever sacrificing my security or privacy to DRM. Again, you can. Buy music from the shop of your choice - it's yours. No DRM, no strings attached. > Just because the music industry is in a significantly better position than others does not make it good enough. I still don't understand what you're missing.
- thomastjeffery 9y ago
  > Feel free to do so. I don't. That is entirely my point. Spotify started as a convenient P2P streaming service, then got the capital to pay rightsholders. If I were to do the exact same thing, I would almost definitely be stopped on the outset by litigation. > Again, you can Sometimes. A few specific services offer DRM-free tracks, but there isn't much competition in that space. Again, it is practically impossible to legally compete with incumbents. > from the shop of your choice CD's are still the gold standard for lossless DRM-free music distribution. That is not a good thing. That is not a reasonable thing. That is the status quo that we are all constrained to by a select few corporations. It's not as drastic a problem as in Movies/TV, but it is still a problem. > I still don't understand what you're missing. Maybe you can read my comments over again, and ask about specific points. I care an awful lot about the subject, and would be happy to clear things up.