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with luck, mentioning NSA on your resume results in an immediate trip to the discard pile during applications at most tech companies. if you're going to invade

with luck, mentioning NSA on your resume results in an immediate trip to the discard pile during applications at most tech companies. if you're going to invade privacy on a massive scale, you better be ready for the consequences.

JumpCrisscross 9y ago
> with luck, mentioning NSA on your resume results in an immediate trip to the discard pile You're getting down voted, but I've seen this first hand. I don't completely agree with it. But the employer's justification was that he would never be able to trust that the candidate wasn't a mole. (I pointed out that the NSA is probably capable of better hiding its moles.)
- qaq 9y ago
  While you might have seen it it is very far from general rule at companies that matter in security space
- rhexs 9y ago
  Anyone who works in intelligence is evil and should leave and find a career in the private sector, but I won't hire them because they're evil and previously worked in intelligence! Thankfully resume sorting is effectively already an entirely random process, so I hope this comment doesn't bother anyone too much.
  - yters 9y ago
    Should we have no intelligence agencies? A better approach is to populate our intelligence agencies with good people, instead of leaving it up to incompetent/bad people.
    - someguydave 9y ago
      >Should we have no intelligence agencies? Why not? It would get rid of a big excuse for governments to conceal things from their citizens, who supposedly oversee them. If someone in the government needs to find something out, they could always just pay someone to do it on a contract basis.
      - yters 9y ago
        How do we keep secrets from enemies while telling all secrets to our citizens? Such an idea does not seem to live in the real world.
        someguydave 9y ago
        Wait, which is the greater good? Keeping government secrets or holding the government to account? To me, the latter is obviously better.
        yters 9y ago
        Certainly, and the government has much abused its secret keeping ability. But, sometimes secrets matter. One example I know of is we had almost captured Osama Bin Laden in Tora Bora by tracking his cell phone. Then, a senator told the media we were tracking his cell phone, and we lost him, dragging on the war for many more years. Or, during WW2 if Germany had known we'd cracked Enigma, we would have lost a tremendous advantage. And, if the Germans had stolen our nuke technology and beat us to the bomb drop, the war could have turned out totally differently.
659087 9y ago
> if you're going to invade privacy on a massive scale, you better be ready for the consequences. Like a job at Google/Facebook, where you'll continue invading privacy on a massive scale?
- propogandist 9y ago
  "Alexa, what's a tele-screen?"
  - 659087 9y ago
    "At Amazon, a telescreen is known as an 'Echo Show'. Would you like 'free' 2-day shipping with that?"
- dqpb 9y ago
  I like Google and Facebook. They provide a lot of value to a lot of people, invest in R&D, and contribute to the open source community. I've seen an uptick of negativity on HN lately, especially targeted at the big SV companies. Not intelligent criticism mind you, just basic trolling. For example your account appears to be 99% dedicated to shitting on SV companies.
  - hueving 9y ago
    Google and Facebook have been terrible for open source on the whole despite their contributions to some projects. It is more difficult to run open source on your handset than it is on your desktop/laptop/server and Google wants it that way to ensure you are sucked into their ecosystem of data collection. And handsets outnumber PCs. Google is directly participating in the destruction of open source computing at the consumer level while distracting us with contributions to a few projects. Facebook is attempting to kill all open communication protocols and force everyone to communicate through their platform with powerful network effects. Anything they have done for open source is dwarfed by the decades they have set us back in open communication and privacy.
  - Johnny555 9y ago
    I like Google and Facebook. They provide a lot of value to a lot of people, invest in R&D, and contribute to the open source community. The same can be said of most monopolies, like AT&T in the 70's , Bell Labs did top notch research, and the highly reliable phone network provided huge value to people and businesses alike. Although it did have high value, it also had a high cost to the consumer and few people want to go back to the days of paying $30/month for local phone service (plus $3.99 if you want to use touch tone), and spending $7 for a 10 minute cross country call.
empath75 9y ago
If only-- the major tech companies are full of people with intelligence ties from the executive suite on down.
pdkl95 9y ago
This is why people that finally realize they can no longer work for the NSA for moral reasons should be given support in exiting and finding a new job. Bruce Schneier and Tho9mas drake both endorse[1] Intelexit[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=panT9P_VdyE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=panT9P_VdyE [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelexit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelexit
- rhexs 9y ago
  This service appears to do nothing else aside from automatically generating a resignation letter. Did I miss a value-add here? This just seems like a media campaign instead of anything useful.
heedlessly2 9y ago
>if you're going to invade privacy on a massive scale, you better be ready for the consequences. too late, Facebook and Google already do that
TheCoelacanth 9y ago
> if you're going to invade privacy on a massive scale, you better be ready for the consequences Consequences such as a $500 billion market cap[1] [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/28/facebook-touches-500-billion-passes-amazon.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/28/facebook-touches-500-billion...

JumpCrisscross 9y ago

> with luck, mentioning NSA on your resume results in an immediate trip to the discard pile You're getting down voted, but I've seen this first hand. I don't completely agree with it. But the employer's justification was that he would never be able to trust that the candidate wasn't a mole. (I pointed out that the NSA is probably capable of better hiding its moles.)

qaq 9y ago
While you might have seen it it is very far from general rule at companies that matter in security space
rhexs 9y ago
Anyone who works in intelligence is evil and should leave and find a career in the private sector, but I won't hire them because they're evil and previously worked in intelligence! Thankfully resume sorting is effectively already an entirely random process, so I hope this comment doesn't bother anyone too much.
- yters 9y ago
  Should we have no intelligence agencies? A better approach is to populate our intelligence agencies with good people, instead of leaving it up to incompetent/bad people.
  - someguydave 9y ago
    >Should we have no intelligence agencies? Why not? It would get rid of a big excuse for governments to conceal things from their citizens, who supposedly oversee them. If someone in the government needs to find something out, they could always just pay someone to do it on a contract basis.
    - yters 9y ago
      How do we keep secrets from enemies while telling all secrets to our citizens? Such an idea does not seem to live in the real world.
      - someguydave 9y ago
        Wait, which is the greater good? Keeping government secrets or holding the government to account? To me, the latter is obviously better.
        yters 9y ago
        Certainly, and the government has much abused its secret keeping ability. But, sometimes secrets matter. One example I know of is we had almost captured Osama Bin Laden in Tora Bora by tracking his cell phone. Then, a senator told the media we were tracking his cell phone, and we lost him, dragging on the war for many more years. Or, during WW2 if Germany had known we'd cracked Enigma, we would have lost a tremendous advantage. And, if the Germans had stolen our nuke technology and beat us to the bomb drop, the war could have turned out totally differently.

659087 9y ago

> if you're going to invade privacy on a massive scale, you better be ready for the consequences. Like a job at Google/Facebook, where you'll continue invading privacy on a massive scale?

propogandist 9y ago
"Alexa, what's a tele-screen?"
- 659087 9y ago
  "At Amazon, a telescreen is known as an 'Echo Show'. Would you like 'free' 2-day shipping with that?"
dqpb 9y ago
I like Google and Facebook. They provide a lot of value to a lot of people, invest in R&D, and contribute to the open source community. I've seen an uptick of negativity on HN lately, especially targeted at the big SV companies. Not intelligent criticism mind you, just basic trolling. For example your account appears to be 99% dedicated to shitting on SV companies.
- hueving 9y ago
  Google and Facebook have been terrible for open source on the whole despite their contributions to some projects. It is more difficult to run open source on your handset than it is on your desktop/laptop/server and Google wants it that way to ensure you are sucked into their ecosystem of data collection. And handsets outnumber PCs. Google is directly participating in the destruction of open source computing at the consumer level while distracting us with contributions to a few projects. Facebook is attempting to kill all open communication protocols and force everyone to communicate through their platform with powerful network effects. Anything they have done for open source is dwarfed by the decades they have set us back in open communication and privacy.
- Johnny555 9y ago
  I like Google and Facebook. They provide a lot of value to a lot of people, invest in R&D, and contribute to the open source community. The same can be said of most monopolies, like AT&T in the 70's , Bell Labs did top notch research, and the highly reliable phone network provided huge value to people and businesses alike. Although it did have high value, it also had a high cost to the consumer and few people want to go back to the days of paying $30/month for local phone service (plus $3.99 if you want to use touch tone), and spending $7 for a 10 minute cross country call.

empath75 9y ago

If only-- the major tech companies are full of people with intelligence ties from the executive suite on down.

pdkl95 9y ago

This is why people that finally realize they can no longer work for the NSA for moral reasons should be given support in exiting and finding a new job. Bruce Schneier and Tho9mas drake both endorse[1] Intelexit[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=panT9P_VdyE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=panT9P_VdyE [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelexit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelexit

rhexs 9y ago
This service appears to do nothing else aside from automatically generating a resignation letter. Did I miss a value-add here? This just seems like a media campaign instead of anything useful.

heedlessly2 9y ago

>if you're going to invade privacy on a massive scale, you better be ready for the consequences. too late, Facebook and Google already do that

TheCoelacanth 9y ago

> if you're going to invade privacy on a massive scale, you better be ready for the consequences Consequences such as a $500 billion market cap[1] [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/28/facebook-touches-500-billion-passes-amazon.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/28/facebook-touches-500-billion...