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That's an implementation detail - which is not what copyright is about. Even radio is on the receiving end reproduced bit by bit, copied multiple times and sto

That's an implementation detail - which is not what copyright is about. Even radio is on the receiving end reproduced bit by bit, copied multiple times and stored in some kind of memory, which could be analog or digital.

bogomipz 9y ago
>"That's an implementation detail - which is not what copyright is about." No thats exactly what copyright it about. Its called a mechanical license and it is a type of copyright. See: https://www.bmi.com/licensing/entry/types_of_copyrights https://www.bmi.com/licensing/entry/types_of_copyrights And Specifically: "Mechanical licenses apply to reproduction and distribution of musical works on records and CDs, in permanent digital downloads, and in some other digital uses."[1] >"Even radio is on the receiving end reproduced bit by bit, copied multiple times and stored in some kind of memory, which could be analog or digital" Copying bytes of a track into a buffer for transmission is not the same as storing a complete copy of the track on persistent storage i.e a downloaded copy done as part of an "offline sync." [1] http://guides.lib.umich.edu/permissions/music http://guides.lib.umich.edu/permissions/music
- akvadrako 9y ago
  > Copying bytes of a track into a buffer for transmission is not the same as storing a complete copy of the track on persistent storage i.e a downloaded copy done as part of an "offline sync." Physically they are the same thing. A buffer could be large enough to hold a complete copy and all storage is persistent to greater or lesser degrees. It sounds like you are claiming if you buffered a small track in a future non-voltile RAM suddenly it's a different license? The legal difference is intent. What can the user do with the copy and does it feel like a copy.
  - bogomipz 9y ago
    >"Physically they are the same thing. A buffer could be large enough to hold a complete copy and all storage is persistent to greater or lesser degrees." A buffer is generally understood to mean transient storage, so no not the same at all.
IncRnd 9y ago
> That's an implementation detail - which is not what copyright is about. That is what copyright is about, the right to copy. In this case a mechanical license is at issue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_license https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_license See the two types of copyright in mechanical license, the composition and the recording. This is exactly what is being alleged by Wixen. See the lawsuit @ https://www.scribd.com/document/368281292/Wixen-Music-Publishing-Inc-v-Spotify-USA-Inc-Copyright-Infringement https://www.scribd.com/document/368281292/Wixen-Music-Publis...

bogomipz 9y ago

>"That's an implementation detail - which is not what copyright is about." No thats exactly what copyright it about. Its called a mechanical license and it is a type of copyright. See: https://www.bmi.com/licensing/entry/types_of_copyrights https://www.bmi.com/licensing/entry/types_of_copyrights And Specifically: "Mechanical licenses apply to reproduction and distribution of musical works on records and CDs, in permanent digital downloads, and in some other digital uses."[1] >"Even radio is on the receiving end reproduced bit by bit, copied multiple times and stored in some kind of memory, which could be analog or digital" Copying bytes of a track into a buffer for transmission is not the same as storing a complete copy of the track on persistent storage i.e a downloaded copy done as part of an "offline sync." [1] http://guides.lib.umich.edu/permissions/music http://guides.lib.umich.edu/permissions/music

akvadrako 9y ago
> Copying bytes of a track into a buffer for transmission is not the same as storing a complete copy of the track on persistent storage i.e a downloaded copy done as part of an "offline sync." Physically they are the same thing. A buffer could be large enough to hold a complete copy and all storage is persistent to greater or lesser degrees. It sounds like you are claiming if you buffered a small track in a future non-voltile RAM suddenly it's a different license? The legal difference is intent. What can the user do with the copy and does it feel like a copy.
- bogomipz 9y ago
  >"Physically they are the same thing. A buffer could be large enough to hold a complete copy and all storage is persistent to greater or lesser degrees." A buffer is generally understood to mean transient storage, so no not the same at all.

IncRnd 9y ago

> That's an implementation detail - which is not what copyright is about. That is what copyright is about, the right to copy. In this case a mechanical license is at issue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_license https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_license See the two types of copyright in mechanical license, the composition and the recording. This is exactly what is being alleged by Wixen. See the lawsuit @ https://www.scribd.com/document/368281292/Wixen-Music-Publishing-Inc-v-Spotify-USA-Inc-Copyright-Infringement https://www.scribd.com/document/368281292/Wixen-Music-Publis...