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This is absurd. People on H1-B pay taxes like Americans - i.e Social security, Medicare, State, federal, sales, property... They're, however, not eligible for

This is absurd. People on H1-B pay taxes like Americans - i.e Social security, Medicare, State, federal, sales, property... They're, however, not eligible for ANY of the social safety net they subsidize America for, (no social security, unemployment, Medicare, etc). They're overwhelmingly peaceful, law abiding residents with higher education, most earning in the top 5%. Abuse of the system is not by the recipients, but the companies enabling the abuse - punish the companies, not the innocent, tax paying, peaceful, law abiding residents who don't wake up every morning saying "Today, I want to replace an American job and suppress some wages, dream FUCKING LIFE". If this law does pass, I believe those being asked to leave should sue the US for repayment of Social security and Medicare taxes paid - after all they're non resident aliens and should be taxed as such. Ludicrous restrictions like not being allowed open their own businesses, killing any chance of monetizing a side hustle is another opportunity cost that the govt. cannot compensate for - and it may even be illegal, after all bringing an idea to life is free speech! Most of all, if this is squarely an anti-India policy, India should return the favor in kind and add tariffs to American businesses & individuals benefiting from trading with India. A page from Trump's own playbook is the only answer that'll get through to him.

nonamechicken 9y ago
>I believe those being asked to leave should sue the US for repayment of Social security and Medicare taxes paid In addition to all these, one has to also pay taxes for income they earn in India. >Most of all, if this is squarely an anti-India policy, India should return the favor in kind and add tariffs to American businesses & individuals benefiting from trading with India. How many Indian companies operate in US vs how many American companies operate in India? Indian companies stand to benefit a lot if they don't have to compete with the likes of Amazon, Dell, HP, Whirlpool, GM etc. So, US's anti India policies will help in creating more jobs in India so at least our kids won't have to deal with these type of situations being accused of stealing others jobs. US blocked cryogenics to India, India ended up making their own [1]. They supposedly blocked GPS, India launched its own[2]. For this also, we will eventually figure out something. [1]http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/us-blocks-critical-cryogenic-deal-forces-india-to-indigenise/1/302683.html http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/us-blocks-critical-cryoge... [2]https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/How-Kargil-spurred-India-to-design-own-GPS/articleshow/33254691.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/How-Kargil-...
dragonwriter 9y ago
> If this law does pass, I believe those being asked to leave should sue the US for repayment of Social security and Medicare taxes paid Uh, they’ll lose, but I guess some lawyers will make some money. > after all they're non resident aliens and should be taxed as such. They are taxed exactly like other non-immigrant aliens permitted to work in the US.
- mankash666 9y ago
  "They are taxed exactly like other non-immigrant aliens permitted to work in the US." --> incorrect. Look up 1040-NR. As a non-resident alien, you're not required to pay social security and medicare. So, H1-B is basically the taxation of a resident, BUT rights of a non-resident [no access to social safety net, or voice in political system by means of voting]. I'm all for uniform policies, tax non-residents as non-residents!
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > Look up 1040-NR 1040-NR is an income tax form, and has basically nothing to do with Social Security and Medicare taxes, which are payroll taxes rather than income tax. They do show up onninckme tax forms when paid as self-employment (including the 1040-NR, where presumably they would not appear if they did not apply to nonresident aliens.) > As a non-resident alien, you're not required to pay social security and medicare. Incorrect, from the IRS: “Wages paid to nonresident aliens employed within the United States by an American or foreign employer, in general, are subject to Social Security/Medicare taxes for services performed by them within the United States” [1] [1] from https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/aliens-employed-in-the-us-social-security-taxes https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/alie... which also provides details of the exceptions that apply to certain work in certain non-immigrant visa categories.
    - mankash666 9y ago
      From your own citation, "F-visas, J-visas, M-visas, Q-visas" are exempt because the classification of these holders is "non-resident aliens". H1-B is a temporary work visa and should be classified like the others exempt from paying these taxes. It's a FUCKING double edged sword where the U.S. govt eviscerates foreign workers of taxes designed for U.S. citizens with NONE of the benefits of citizenship. Just fucking be uniform. If you're going to exploit foreigners, at least tax them accordingly. Or, offer these skilled immigrants a reasonable path to residency, and tax them like citizens.
Alfredo123 9y ago
> if this is squarely an anti-India policy This is pure racism against brown people despite them being ideal immigrants. But tariffs don't hurt Trump. It hurts American companies but hurts Indians even more. The best response here is to give a full tax break to American companies who would be willing to move to India. Ideally open a red carpet, get rid of all tariffs and give all the freedom American companies ask for.

nonamechicken 9y ago

>I believe those being asked to leave should sue the US for repayment of Social security and Medicare taxes paid In addition to all these, one has to also pay taxes for income they earn in India. >Most of all, if this is squarely an anti-India policy, India should return the favor in kind and add tariffs to American businesses & individuals benefiting from trading with India. How many Indian companies operate in US vs how many American companies operate in India? Indian companies stand to benefit a lot if they don't have to compete with the likes of Amazon, Dell, HP, Whirlpool, GM etc. So, US's anti India policies will help in creating more jobs in India so at least our kids won't have to deal with these type of situations being accused of stealing others jobs. US blocked cryogenics to India, India ended up making their own [1]. They supposedly blocked GPS, India launched its own[2]. For this also, we will eventually figure out something. [1]http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/us-blocks-critical-cryogenic-deal-forces-india-to-indigenise/1/302683.html http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/us-blocks-critical-cryoge... [2]https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/How-Kargil-spurred-India-to-design-own-GPS/articleshow/33254691.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/science/How-Kargil-...

dragonwriter 9y ago

> If this law does pass, I believe those being asked to leave should sue the US for repayment of Social security and Medicare taxes paid Uh, they’ll lose, but I guess some lawyers will make some money. > after all they're non resident aliens and should be taxed as such. They are taxed exactly like other non-immigrant aliens permitted to work in the US.

mankash666 9y ago
"They are taxed exactly like other non-immigrant aliens permitted to work in the US." --> incorrect. Look up 1040-NR. As a non-resident alien, you're not required to pay social security and medicare. So, H1-B is basically the taxation of a resident, BUT rights of a non-resident [no access to social safety net, or voice in political system by means of voting]. I'm all for uniform policies, tax non-residents as non-residents!
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Look up 1040-NR 1040-NR is an income tax form, and has basically nothing to do with Social Security and Medicare taxes, which are payroll taxes rather than income tax. They do show up onninckme tax forms when paid as self-employment (including the 1040-NR, where presumably they would not appear if they did not apply to nonresident aliens.) > As a non-resident alien, you're not required to pay social security and medicare. Incorrect, from the IRS: “Wages paid to nonresident aliens employed within the United States by an American or foreign employer, in general, are subject to Social Security/Medicare taxes for services performed by them within the United States” [1] [1] from https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/aliens-employed-in-the-us-social-security-taxes https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/alie... which also provides details of the exceptions that apply to certain work in certain non-immigrant visa categories.
  - mankash666 9y ago
    From your own citation, "F-visas, J-visas, M-visas, Q-visas" are exempt because the classification of these holders is "non-resident aliens". H1-B is a temporary work visa and should be classified like the others exempt from paying these taxes. It's a FUCKING double edged sword where the U.S. govt eviscerates foreign workers of taxes designed for U.S. citizens with NONE of the benefits of citizenship. Just fucking be uniform. If you're going to exploit foreigners, at least tax them accordingly. Or, offer these skilled immigrants a reasonable path to residency, and tax them like citizens.

Alfredo123 9y ago

> if this is squarely an anti-India policy This is pure racism against brown people despite them being ideal immigrants. But tariffs don't hurt Trump. It hurts American companies but hurts Indians even more. The best response here is to give a full tax break to American companies who would be willing to move to India. Ideally open a red carpet, get rid of all tariffs and give all the freedom American companies ask for.