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Interesting, I have always thought that Germany is very strict about all cyber stuff. I have heard that even starting torrent program will get you fine to your

by sccxy 9y ago

Interesting, I have always thought that Germany is very strict about all cyber stuff. I have heard that even starting torrent program will get you fine to your inbox. How do they trace it?

setr 9y ago
Thats totally absurd; are they going to fine you for driving too, because cars are often used for robbery getaways? How about a fine for ftp? You can torrent over browsers too, so a fine for that? A fine for booting up a computer that might torrent illegally?
- glandium 9y ago
  In fairness, what percentage of torrent uses are not for copyright infringement?
  - Majora320 9y ago
    Most Linux distributions provide torrents for disk images.
  - setr 9y ago
    It doesn't matter: torrents hardly enables it to exists, any more than ftp does; its just the current tool of choice for piracy. You ban it, and they'll switch to something else, and you'll have done nothing but make things slightly less convenient but with relatively large cost to enforce. Why not just do the job properly and ban general purpose computers, limited to government approved and locked down hardware, os and apps?
- lima 9y ago
  Obviously, you can open a torrent client just fine in Germany. However, there's bunch of companies monitoring popular torrent trackers and since it's all peer-to-peer, they can easily figure out your IP address as soon as you start downloading a torrent they're monitoring (they usually work for a particular distribution company and have a list of files they're interested in). Popcorn Time and similar apps are a common and obvious target. Once they know your IP address, ISPs are required to disclose your personal data (§ 101 UrhG) and they'll send you a nice letter requesting a payment (Abmahnung). If you do not pay, they might sue you (but probably won't). If they do sue you, it's on them to prove that it was indeed you who used the IP address at the time, which is - in most cases - an impossible feat. So, yes, you're highly likely to get in trouble if you torrent in Germany, but you'd probably win of you fight it.
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by sccxy 9y ago

Interesting, I have always thought that Germany is very strict about all cyber stuff. I have heard that even starting torrent program will get you fine to your inbox. How do they trace it?

setr 9y ago

Thats totally absurd; are they going to fine you for driving too, because cars are often used for robbery getaways? How about a fine for ftp? You can torrent over browsers too, so a fine for that? A fine for booting up a computer that might torrent illegally?

glandium 9y ago
In fairness, what percentage of torrent uses are not for copyright infringement?
- Majora320 9y ago
  Most Linux distributions provide torrents for disk images.
- setr 9y ago
  It doesn't matter: torrents hardly enables it to exists, any more than ftp does; its just the current tool of choice for piracy. You ban it, and they'll switch to something else, and you'll have done nothing but make things slightly less convenient but with relatively large cost to enforce. Why not just do the job properly and ban general purpose computers, limited to government approved and locked down hardware, os and apps?
lima 9y ago
Obviously, you can open a torrent client just fine in Germany. However, there's bunch of companies monitoring popular torrent trackers and since it's all peer-to-peer, they can easily figure out your IP address as soon as you start downloading a torrent they're monitoring (they usually work for a particular distribution company and have a list of files they're interested in). Popcorn Time and similar apps are a common and obvious target. Once they know your IP address, ISPs are required to disclose your personal data (§ 101 UrhG) and they'll send you a nice letter requesting a payment (Abmahnung). If you do not pay, they might sue you (but probably won't). If they do sue you, it's on them to prove that it was indeed you who used the IP address at the time, which is - in most cases - an impossible feat. So, yes, you're highly likely to get in trouble if you torrent in Germany, but you'd probably win of you fight it.
- deleted 9y ago
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