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It would be non-consensual if you didn't give affirmative consent. However, reading this, it seems that affirmative consent was given at all times, first to ta

by lhnz 9y ago

It would be non-consensual if you didn't give affirmative consent. However, reading this, it seems that affirmative consent was given at all times, first to taking drugs and then to making out (or having sex) so this article is basically just a hoo-hah over consenting adults engaging in drug-enabled group sex.

2muchcoffeeman 9y ago
Rich men vastly outnumbered by 20 something women? The men are finally in positions of power and the women think that being in the ‘inner circle’ might open doors for them? In might be consensual in the sense that everyone said yes, but there’s a known balance of power. Sounds like coercion and naivety.
- orasis 9y ago
  The article certainly wants to paint the women as naive rather than empowered sexual beings.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 9y ago
    Maybe ‘naive’ is not the right word. I am sure they knew intellectually what was expected of them. Sounds like they are explained the situation when they get invited. But it also sounds like there is no way to back out or participate without repercussions leaking into their normal lives. Not exactly fair.
- philwelch 9y ago
  “Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac” —Henry Kissinger How do you know these women don’t genuinely want casual sex with rich, powerful men?
  - myaso 9y ago
    Sure it's technically possible. If you were a woman would you want to have sex with Henry Kissinger? Drugs, alcohol, and whores are cheap compared to the value you can extract from people using them. This article was fun to read; there have been lots of hit pieces coming out this year on SV, can't say it's undeserved either. Nothing here is shocking or unexpected, pederasty would be shocking -- no names which takes a whole lot of fun out of it for the spectators.
ImSkeptical 9y ago
I agree that sex without consent is bad, a crime, rape, etc. I hope nothing I've written would ever be construed otherwise. My point here is that there seems to be affirmative consent, as you say. The example with the young woman who made out with a founder in front of his wife, then took MDMA and then (I assume) had sex with him (possibly, maybe she just left) is one where she consented to go to the party, she consented to the kissing, even checking in with the wife first, she got an accurate description of what the drug would do when it was offered to her, it was clear that she was being offered a drug, she chose to take it, and then she left when she wanted. I don't want to defend non-consensual activities, but I don't see any being described. Given that these are consensual acts between adults - my point is "What's the issue?"

by lhnz 9y ago

2muchcoffeeman 9y ago

Rich men vastly outnumbered by 20 something women? The men are finally in positions of power and the women think that being in the ‘inner circle’ might open doors for them? In might be consensual in the sense that everyone said yes, but there’s a known balance of power. Sounds like coercion and naivety.

orasis 9y ago
The article certainly wants to paint the women as naive rather than empowered sexual beings.
- 2muchcoffeeman 9y ago
  Maybe ‘naive’ is not the right word. I am sure they knew intellectually what was expected of them. Sounds like they are explained the situation when they get invited. But it also sounds like there is no way to back out or participate without repercussions leaking into their normal lives. Not exactly fair.
philwelch 9y ago
“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac” —Henry Kissinger How do you know these women don’t genuinely want casual sex with rich, powerful men?
- myaso 9y ago
  Sure it's technically possible. If you were a woman would you want to have sex with Henry Kissinger? Drugs, alcohol, and whores are cheap compared to the value you can extract from people using them. This article was fun to read; there have been lots of hit pieces coming out this year on SV, can't say it's undeserved either. Nothing here is shocking or unexpected, pederasty would be shocking -- no names which takes a whole lot of fun out of it for the spectators.

ImSkeptical 9y ago

I agree that sex without consent is bad, a crime, rape, etc. I hope nothing I've written would ever be construed otherwise. My point here is that there seems to be affirmative consent, as you say. The example with the young woman who made out with a founder in front of his wife, then took MDMA and then (I assume) had sex with him (possibly, maybe she just left) is one where she consented to go to the party, she consented to the kissing, even checking in with the wife first, she got an accurate description of what the drug would do when it was offered to her, it was clear that she was being offered a drug, she chose to take it, and then she left when she wanted. I don't want to defend non-consensual activities, but I don't see any being described. Given that these are consensual acts between adults - my point is "What's the issue?"