>Traditional rock climbers use their ropes and equipment as both a fall-arrest system and a means of ascent. Minor quibble: you mean aid climbing, here. post-

>Traditional rock climbers use their ropes and equipment as both a fall-arrest system and a means of ascent. Minor quibble: you mean aid climbing, here. post-1960ish, "french-free" or hangdog ascents are considered bad form for trad, and using your gear to take your weight is an ethics violation at some level. >The drivers agreed that no race track was worth creating widows and orphans for. Motorcyclists, of course, continue to use the Isle of Man TT course despite the deaths of 255 people to date.