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They won't like it but tough beans. People don't like a lot of things we have to change for the better of society. Not doing things because people won't like th

by ebbv 9y ago

They won't like it but tough beans. People don't like a lot of things we have to change for the better of society. Not doing things because people won't like them is why so many things are screwed up right now.

neaden 9y ago
But we exist in a democracy. Outside of the Supreme Court we don't really have a good way of making unpopular things happen. Congress is not going to pass a meat tax anytime soon, neither party is close to supporting it.
- ebbv 9y ago
  Well I know this is gonna sound absolutely bonkers but; our leaders could actually lead for a change... I know it's an insane thought but it has been done in the past to great effect.
  - dfabulich 9y ago
    There's a really good video about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
    - ebbv 9y ago
      It's cool how people think CGP Grey is a scholar on so many topics just because he sounds calm and confident when he talks. It's like a stick figure hypno toad.
      - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
        > people think CGP Grey is a scholar on so many topics just because he sounds calm and confident His "Rules for Rulers" video is an excellent summary of The Dictator's Handbook [1], itself a summary of well-regarded selectorate theory [2]. I have yet to watch a CPG Grey video which does not honestly separate fact from opinion, and ensure the former is well sourced. His delivery is excellent. But that, alone, is not substitute for well-written and -researched material. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Politics/dp/1610391845 https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Po... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selectorate_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selectorate_theory
        ebbv 9y ago
        Some of his videos are better than others. But his videos are as slanted towards his view as anything else. What facts you present and how you present them is both a conscious and unconscious result of your own worldview (some things you will see as relevant or irrelevant, and some things you won't even be aware of because of who you are and what you've read, etc.) But regardless, replying to someone with "Hey watch this 40 minute CGP Grey video which explains why you're wrong." is both hilarious and insulting on multiple levels.
        JumpCrisscross 9y ago
        > is both hilarious and insulting on multiple levels CPG Grey's summaries are just that, summaries. They miss nuance by design. In many cases nuance isn't necessary. If someone is arguing over what is on what continent, CPG Grey's "What Are Continents?" video [1] is an acceptable response. It's just a summary. But even the summary adequately shows the baselessness of the question. TL; DR CPG Grey's videos are, on average, of better quality than many newspapers, blogs and other secondary sources. It's perfectly fine to reference them. [1] http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/what-are-continents.html http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/what-are-continents.html
        dfabulich 9y ago
        OK, how about: hey, read The Dictator's Handbook which explains why you're wrong. It's $12, 354 pages long, and not the least bit insulting.
koolba 9y ago
> They won't like it but tough beans. People don't like a lot of things we have to change for the better of society. IMHO it's not a better society when we're forcing people to eat synthetic meat grown in a lab. If you've got a real winner on cost, taste, or ecological impact, then compete in the open market and make a better chicken nugget.
- Malic 9y ago
  It's a marketing problem. Take pearls. A natural pearl seems like something you would prefer. But a cultured pearl is more uniform in size/shape/color and more desirable. What would need to happen is to push the idea that cultured chicken meat is more uniform in quality (well, assuming that it will be.)
- ebbv 9y ago
  I'm not advocating forcing people to eat anything. I'm advocating making the price of things (including meat) reflect their actual cost instead of allowing producers to offset those costs on the rest of us and future generations (e.g. by dumping the waste from thousands of chickens in public water systems.)

by ebbv 9y ago

neaden 9y ago

But we exist in a democracy. Outside of the Supreme Court we don't really have a good way of making unpopular things happen. Congress is not going to pass a meat tax anytime soon, neither party is close to supporting it.

ebbv 9y ago
Well I know this is gonna sound absolutely bonkers but; our leaders could actually lead for a change... I know it's an insane thought but it has been done in the past to great effect.
- dfabulich 9y ago
  There's a really good video about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
  - ebbv 9y ago
    It's cool how people think CGP Grey is a scholar on so many topics just because he sounds calm and confident when he talks. It's like a stick figure hypno toad.
    - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
      > people think CGP Grey is a scholar on so many topics just because he sounds calm and confident His "Rules for Rulers" video is an excellent summary of The Dictator's Handbook [1], itself a summary of well-regarded selectorate theory [2]. I have yet to watch a CPG Grey video which does not honestly separate fact from opinion, and ensure the former is well sourced. His delivery is excellent. But that, alone, is not substitute for well-written and -researched material. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Politics/dp/1610391845 https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Po... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selectorate_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selectorate_theory
      - ebbv 9y ago
        Some of his videos are better than others. But his videos are as slanted towards his view as anything else. What facts you present and how you present them is both a conscious and unconscious result of your own worldview (some things you will see as relevant or irrelevant, and some things you won't even be aware of because of who you are and what you've read, etc.) But regardless, replying to someone with "Hey watch this 40 minute CGP Grey video which explains why you're wrong." is both hilarious and insulting on multiple levels.
        JumpCrisscross 9y ago
        > is both hilarious and insulting on multiple levels CPG Grey's summaries are just that, summaries. They miss nuance by design. In many cases nuance isn't necessary. If someone is arguing over what is on what continent, CPG Grey's "What Are Continents?" video [1] is an acceptable response. It's just a summary. But even the summary adequately shows the baselessness of the question. TL; DR CPG Grey's videos are, on average, of better quality than many newspapers, blogs and other secondary sources. It's perfectly fine to reference them. [1] http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/what-are-continents.html http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/what-are-continents.html
        dfabulich 9y ago
        OK, how about: hey, read The Dictator's Handbook which explains why you're wrong. It's $12, 354 pages long, and not the least bit insulting.

koolba 9y ago

> They won't like it but tough beans. People don't like a lot of things we have to change for the better of society. IMHO it's not a better society when we're forcing people to eat synthetic meat grown in a lab. If you've got a real winner on cost, taste, or ecological impact, then compete in the open market and make a better chicken nugget.

Malic 9y ago
It's a marketing problem. Take pearls. A natural pearl seems like something you would prefer. But a cultured pearl is more uniform in size/shape/color and more desirable. What would need to happen is to push the idea that cultured chicken meat is more uniform in quality (well, assuming that it will be.)
ebbv 9y ago
I'm not advocating forcing people to eat anything. I'm advocating making the price of things (including meat) reflect their actual cost instead of allowing producers to offset those costs on the rest of us and future generations (e.g. by dumping the waste from thousands of chickens in public water systems.)